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propaganda, that would show up on population graphs would it not? That's a third of their population

That is internal research man, their own numbers. Even they agree.

#1 that includes the famines that were not man-made so they have no bearing on this #2 the market reforms to turn it capitalist killed more than stalin did #3 This was an attempt to save the revolution from the opportunists who were trying to turn it back to the right (many through force)

The lifespan increased massively under stalin, which prevented many deaths. Capitalism kills 2.5 times as many per capita as your worst propaganda claims communism killed so the point is moot either way lmao

Here we go again. Stalin forced starvation onto the Ukrainians to break their will. He intentionally did it. He used the military (with force) to stop the most fertile producers in the entire country to break Ukrainian nationalism and seize full power over the state. He starved them and created a famine, freaking idiotic communism. Dude, these guys intentionally kill their own for the purpose of power.

https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/archives/ukra.html

its because they burned the crops and salted the land because he wouldn't let them use their food as leverage. There simply wasn't enough food and they made it worse so they suffered for it. Somebody had to starve, so it was those who forced it on everyone

Great so we agree that under communism it is acceptable to use force in order to seize one's possessions, even to the point of death, for political power. Centralized political power, under a militaristic dictatorship. Now we're getting somewhere.

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