Meet Your New Music Composer, AIVA... the AI Music Composer

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Meet Your New Music Composer, AIVA... the AI Music Composer


In October 2016 the music industry was silently struck in the gut. Pierre Barreau (CEO) and his brother Vincent Barreau (COO), Arnaud Decker (CMO), Denis Schtefan (CTO), created the startup called AIVA Technologies. AIVA stands for Artifical Intelligence Virtual Artist.


Source: (From left to right) Denis Shtefan, CTO; Arnaud Decker, CMO; Vincent Barreau, COO, and his brother Pierre Barreau, CEO.

Gaining some social media buzz for composing symphonic music, AIVA pose a concern to music creators throughout the world. But is it really something to worry that much about?

Firstly, Take a Listen


Before geting into any analysis or any critique, I wanted to let users assess the sounds themselves. Especially untrained or non-composer ears. So, here are a few. I'm curious as to what you Steemians all think of the sounds!

These samples come from AIVA's Soundcloud page located https://soundcloud.com/user-95265362

Easing the Workload


To me, the first thing that comes to mind about this is that it poses an opportunity for music composers to use this technology to create musical ideas and transform them into something more human. The samples on AIVA's site are pretty, but they do lack the blood feeling that human music has. I can't believe I just wrote "human music" in a sentence.

Perhaps it could ease the workload for composers that are overloaded with work.

I've actually used a few that work within software. I have one that has a plugin in Premiere Pro.

Pixelfield


The music in this game is entirely composed by AIVA. The amazing part is, this is the first game score created by a non-human.

Release Trailer:

Her - Spike Jonze


The inspiration for AIVA was the movie Her. Surrounding story of an AI operating system, which can feel emotions. She whispers in his ear about composing music for him. This sparked AIVA.

They wanted to know if they could create an artificial intelligence that could write music with the same emotional sensitivity that a human might have.

Their other hope was also to create different takes on unfinished works of classical music (Schubert Symphony No. 8) as an homage to the creative styles of different composers.


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Can a Computer Feel?


I believe that a computer CAN'T feel. It may be able to come up with elements of emotional feeling due to solid programming. But can it equate music the same emotionally as a human being would. I already know, the answer is no. If you listened to the samples above, they aren't as emotive as a human composer.

Take this for example. A "Serenade for Strings" by Elgar, a world famous symphonic composer. His writing is just so fluid, and emotional. Instrumental music isn't always thought of as emotional and complex as music with lyrics. But I think Elgar has it beat, and many others would agree.

That being said, here's a comparable example by AIVA.

You can see that AIVA makes pretty notes, but they don't have the feeling of human composers or performers. It's very blocky, and chopped feeling.

This will never be replaced. Not until you get computers running with brains, hearts, and blood in them at least. People might make stuff that sounds close to music, but it won't be something comparable to the greats composers.

How Does AIVA Work?


"Aiva develops the art of composition through the learning of a large number of music scores composed by the greatest names in classical music (Mozart, Beethoven, Bach, Vivaldi ...). Aiva bases most of its capabilities on deep learning technology, a learning method based on artificial neural networks. Thanks to an algorithm developed by the team, the machine analyzes no less than 15,000 digitized partitions, which we give it to generate a mathematical and intuitive model of music. This model is then used to write new compositions both unique and quality....

Aiva composes pieces that can be performed by human musicians, but also by VST technology. It is a computer-assisted music production tool. The sounds are computed and computer generated from a gigantic bank of different instrument sounds. The computer plays and breaks down each note. All effects and sound arrangements are possible."

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Threat to Composers?


I think there is no threat. It may be worrisome if you only earn income from licensed music. But as a composing to film, there's none. I composer music to the frame of a picture, it changes, moves around dialogue, and is very specialized. Often I record sounds just to make the exact sound I want. Now let's see a computer being proactive. Just kidding! I think it's a BRILLIANT tool for composers and is only something to be excited for. I want to use this to help me sketch and come up with new ideas that I wouldn't have done on my own. It's almost like a cowriting buddy.

In fact, I emailed them asking how I can test it.

I will say, I have tested other composing softwares before and they didn't work as well. Here's a few that were made for me:

They are on to something at AIVA, not sure what it is yet. I think their direction to get the music into movies is completely wrong. If they geared toware performance pieces and stock music sites they could earn a killing quickly.

Check it out yourself! http://www.aiva.ai/

Procedural Music and AI Music History


Earlier I said that the first AI music composed game happened. This is partially true. True that it's entirely AI. It is false in the sense of a computer generating the music. There have been several games in the past that have procedurally generated music or music generated based on a set of programming.

I took a class with Guy Whitmore who was head of Audio at Microsoft Games, and head of PopCap Games audio. What struck me about him is even in the 90's he was experimenting with computer generated music. It isn't a new thing.

Check out No Man's Sky for more info on that goliath of a game score.

Here's a list of older ones:

There's a MASSIVE list. There are new AI ones as well that are a little better at sounding musical, but compared to human emotion... Nope.

Steemians, please comment what you think AIVA and the future of music composition!

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@beatseb @djlethalskillz @scuzzy are we prepared to beat this computer in the beatbattle next season? @chiefmappster.... I see a new challenge here.. he.... he... he.. or shall we move to sculpturing and paintings to express our beings

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Haha @beatseb @djlethalskillz @scuzzy @chiefmappster I would say, no! Find a way to use the tool built to defeat you in a way unexpected to forward your beatbattle submissions! @seveaux

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Woooo hooooo!

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I follow you now! We should find a way to collaborate on some blockchain music huh? @djlethalskills Shoot me an email if you're interested at aldonbaker@gmail.com

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Peace mah man@ kudos on the approach i love it and im always down to collaborate and create dope shit! haha lets do this ima email u from my email Salute

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Thanks! Let me know when you do, I'll check on it @djlethalskillz

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@seveaux @beatseb @djlethalskillz @scuzzy Computer generates 10,000 iterations of an amazing beat for beatbattle submission, what do you do? :D

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I would sit, listen and learn... lol

awesome coriography

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What part did you like the best? @mdarifishtiaque

Sounds like the perfect match for a mobile game :)

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Could be! @steemboys. Too bad since I've composed for mobile games.

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Great post @playitforward! I can't help to think that this music is still "human music" because the ultimate source of the creation is still us! AIVA is just using a very computationally intensive instrument, and their instrument is still in a nascent phase of development so it is excusable that they haven't yet figured out how to bring more emotion into their creation. You cleverly pointed out that now that the mechanics are in place, they should start to work on those more intangible human music qualities.

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@particleandwave I think the problem they will find is that programming and emotion will fight against each other forever.

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Do you remember when I proposed that we build almost exactly this back in 2009?!?

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Yes haha, too bad we didn’t build it. @design-guy

Impressive and I will probably be hearing your work in the near future in a movie somewhere. PS I seriously want that computer! how do you keep it cook with all that processing power?

THE FUTURE IS HERE!
The samples on the soundcloud is actually seriously impressive! Imagine when they get to train this AI over a few years and are able to give more specific inputs.. Everyone can soon be a John Williams.

Maybe in 5 years we'll see tech startups make the soundtracks for most AAA movies.

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@znaffe Haha! That would be a weird world.
"Original Music by Intel"

Thanks for checking out the post! Have another good one for tomorrow.

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It's not far fetched at all, considering the rate of technological advancement.

Thanks for a good post!

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@znaffe It isn't, you're right. It is a little scary, considering all of us who have spent so many years learning music. I consider myself on the edge of Music and Technology though.

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THIS IS SO NEW, IT WILL TAKE TIME TO ADOPT

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It will, however it's already being sold this year. Are you worried? @viktoriyani

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no not worried at all, I like innovative things since we live in an innovative world

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@viktoriyani Indeed, Do you make music as well?

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no but I listen to music daily, brings me joy :)

Interesting program, worth looking at it a bit deeper.

Great news , but i beleive he can Never replace humain talents and feelings in composing music .

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@amirouch I think you're right. It can't replace it, but it can be used to make music that humans can perform which sounds more human. It is a great tool, and as a composer I will want to do this too.

DUDE LET'S MAKE A ROBOT ALBUM. GOOGLE CAN HAVE THEIR SKYNET I JUST WANT COOL TUNES.

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Haha! I'm down. Let's talk about it. Your last post was amazing! Please shoot me an email at aldonbaker@gmail.com and we can talk about it. @vibekilla

Thanks, didnt know about this project. At first I thought that aiva only composed the sheet music. I was baffled to learn that it kind of played all the virtual instruments. (Did it do also the mixdown?). I like classical music but i'm not very fond of full orchestration. The solo piano piece was clearly influenced by at least 50 % bach (I loove bach) and I couldnt tell a difference if composed and or played by a human. Bach is an interesting choice cause it doesnt have to deal with a lot of dynamic play too much. But there was dynamic play! The orchestra pieces sound too perfect, could use more dynamic...but that is just how I hear most orchestra music. In the end it is the performer or the conductor deciding what could be played in what mood. There can be dramatic changes with the same piece played by different performers. I would like to see some research, blinded test with experts in classical music. I'm pretty sure they cant figure out what the pieces of aiva are. And sounds like aiva is in its infant shoes.

Yes, computers will outperform humans in art pretty soon and already right now. I wouldnt be surprised if in 2 years we find out that the 3 of the top ten music hits are written by AI. Maybe soon AI will create a new genre of music...its learning from masters, influencing, mixing it up and improvising....just how humans invent new genres.

"Machines have no feeling"....well...this is a point we wont figure out that soon. Maybe not yet....but what are we? We are machines, we have a (pretty much) central processing unit and the basis of our thoughts is a complex neural network and we are highly influenced by biochemistry and sensoric input...we can process tiniest differences in airpressure and we can "hear" (hearing is amazing...seeing even more)

....we dont understand consciousness yet...but there are many forms of consciousness (psychedelics can give a hint about this). I'm pretty sure AIs will have consciousness, but it wont be in no form like ours...cause the inputs are so different.

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I think it can do what they assign it to do. I think it can do the sheet music, but also has samples it can access. The piano was mostly Bach oriented. Since there are strict rules for Bach, I didn't find it THAT impressive but it did sound like Bach could have written it. I agree... Orchestral pieces are so dynamically diverse that when a sample just plays at the same level or small range, it doesn't feel real. Right AIVA is in it's infancy. It does sound like it's written by a young composer to me, perhaps high school age but well trained.

That's actually a compliment to them though, since that's hard to recreate. I agree that computers can outperform humans in art, but I don't agree that their performances will be any more than just quantity. I think the human brain and artistic sensibility go hand in hand. Unless the specific artist is programming and knows how to, they won't be able to make their own style very well unless they just do the art themselves. If AI can be used to pitch new genres of music, maybe there won't be genres in the future at all. Maybe it will be that music is just music, and stuff can sound similar but blend styles so much.

Right, so machines can't understand consciouness or unconsciouness, or subconsciouness yet, since we're still discovering what those mean for ourselves. And the feelings, expression, interpretation... that a computer can't do yet. A computer can calculate, and create based on those, but it can't interpret these subcontexts that humans are able to do so well. But as always, technology can prove me wrong too. @darwin.finch

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Initially I wanted to write that AIs proberbly will not be able to create new genres, only recreate similes. but then I was thinking about it and the neural networks I have seen perform, creating "lifeforms" made of sticks and balls being able to get better at achieving a certain goal in the most unexpected way by an evolutionary process. Lets see whats coming. Everything is so exciting right now!

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@playitforward Would you say that art is in the creation or the interpretation? Or, maybe I should ask, if an unsuspecting audience member happened to be moved by a piece that was created by an AI, would it matter if the brain-thing that created it was electronic versus organic?

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If an audience is moved then I'll pay more attention to it. As of right now the music isn't at a point where it's moving, just at a point where it's technically starting to get to competition level. @tajmikel But to answer your question, no it wouldn't matter. But the technicality of a computer making judgments like a human brain isn't there yet. Hopefully someday soon.

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I see what you're saying but I think appreciation of art is (of course) highly subjective, and especially to the uninitiated (those unfamiliar with the process of making or producing music), even what might be considered amateur or folk works can move many. I think the music is therefore already at a point where it can move audiences, and I even found myself a bit inspired by some of the AIVA works. :D I appreciate your insight and thank you for your reply! :)

I was quite impressed by what I heard from the first few samples you posted. I once watched a YouTube video that attempted to show a computer randomly learning how to play music after if was fed classical works and it sounded very robotic. In some circles these pieces can pass off as "real music". I'd love to see what they have lined up next. Thank you for sharing this.

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That's what I'm hoping for next. Hopefully something professional grade that anyone can access. Like a high-quality app or all-in-one music making machine! It is impressive in most ways. I would love to see that youtube video you saw! @adriansilas

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Haha, I laughed at the ornamentation section :D @adriansilas

What's your opinion on fruityloops ?

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@hemanthoj, You know I don't want to sound biased because I've never used it. I have always see parts of it and thought that it was sort of like Garageband, not super pro but good for people who what to just make music. The more hardcore programs that allow more manipulation, power, etc are what I prefer because of their flexibility on so many levels. Digital Performer is the most flexible sequencer for composing, especially through composing. Logic is okay, but DP beats it in my opinion. I may give logic a solid chance again sometime though. For mixing and mastering Pro Tools is definitely the one.

However, it is not to forget that it is a machine.

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It is a machine, this is true. @blackybabies A pretty good sounding machine though huh?

As a music artist myself, I've been concerned about things like this for a while now, but I hope people will at least prefer human music makers to artificial ones. I mean, it's interesting but also scary.

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It's silly and crazy that we even have to type human music to clarify that there's a non-human music. I don't think about it as a replacement except potentially in the game world (which are some of my clients). I do think of it as an asset for composers as well to use the tech to make frameworks or inspiration for finishing pieces. @nathanweeksart What are your thoughts?

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"To me, the first thing that comes to mind about this is that it poses an opportunity for music composers to use this technology to create musical ideas and transform them into something more human." - Yes to this! AI can allow us to explore creative possibilities that didn't exist before.

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Sure and the other thing I must mention as a composer myself, (well I call myself a sonic artist really ) is the enjoyment of doing it. There is also the issue of engineering, equalization, mastering which is an ear experience and differ from each other and can be easily 'spoted' from a machine. Sure the industry, specially the video game industry (where the music works pretty much as background) may take a great advantage of AI 'composers' like Aiva, but the general public , the one's who enjoys live music, when the music theme is the central subject, the true listener will never be fooled by a machine and will easily distinguish the emotional differences.

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@projections, this is true. There is an enjoyment of doing it. Just like you said, engineering, equalization, mastering, those are ear experiences. And actually what makes good mastering and mixing is the individual's ears and how they want to hear it. I don't know if the emotion part will be solved by people anytime soon for programming emotion seems impossible. But we might always be surprised some day. I fully agree with everything you said, except I do think the composers AI based are definitely a strong asset for us composers to use as a jumping off point on our compositions or to show us ways we can get out of certain parts. Sometimes you just get stuck writing in a specific section. If you could plug your piece in up to that point and have it treat the music as an unfinished piece, it could then help push you along to finishing more pieces.

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@suncloud
This is true, I actually have a post coming that's an album that was generated by AI. It in general sounds terrible, but as a composer, those are great building blocks to make something better out of. It's not too much of a threat to replace composers, but definitely a threat if composers don't know how to use it and work with it. Like any great new technological advancement, we must learn ways to embrace it or we will be considered "old-school." @projections

AI can be a great thing for humanity but also a dangerous one. We are currently playing with it, doing "nice" things, but once this becomes viable probably others will try to use it for military purpose. And from that point on, the forces of the world might change as we know them.
Nevertheless, the AIVA music generator is a great achievement and i would point out the work done by the creators for taking the things one step further in the musical world.

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In a sense, AI has already been a part of military technology. Not as humanoid robots, but as drones. This will probably fork over to making more humanoid, or humanless killing machines. Who knows, someday maybe wars will be fought only AI vs AI and not humans involved. The only thing is, will the AI know not to harm humans.

This could be a huge advancement ot the music world, but I am wary of how it could harm music creators. @cryptorg

Pretty cool stuff! I'll jam to this at work today.

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Thanks @hansikhouse! And thanks for the Resteem, wow! It's some crazy futuristic stuff. I think the beauty is really the hybrid of a computer writing it and humans playing it.

Strange, fascinating... Maybe if the a.i. Learned human music from processing millions of songs, who knows...Her, great movie

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Yes, that would be cool. They could create remixes based on like songs / tempi / and keys.

Or if they had a sophisticated enough mockup system, they could just listen and recreate. Even create karaoke versions on their own. @clumsysilverdad

its lovely and amazing ,beautiful setup

The Future is still not here as the music composed were terrible to the ear drums, my gosh what is this garbage seriously I beg you to halt this project and let someone else work on it as you know this type of genre in music is not popular anymore and if this AI can't spit out popular genres then it is rendering useless like my garbage can.

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It's definitely a step forward though. To be fair the music it's producing is much more complicated than most pop music. Bach counterpoint takes so much more time and energy than just writing a standard chord progression these days. Take it from the guy who uses both. I want to use it as a tool! :D @yippy123

Great News about music, guys you are fabolous
technology is owsome, I like this type of music.

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@zainqureshi, have you heard of this type of technology before?

Wooww.. Fantastic

gr8 news for music composer talents to attend that.

@rajat1802

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@rajat1802 I can't wait to be able to try it!

It is a very innovative initiative however I think that this type of artificial intelligence applications have to be very well taken care of, since this type of bots could possibly be interpreted as a replacement for music composers.

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@vicdelgui86, Precisely. In a way, I do agree that they could be utilized to replace composers for certain game applications, but I think that as a whole, composers are always going to be much better. I think it's a brilliant tool for composers.

Amazing. I just love it!

Nice update I'll also try it out

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@sammie5, Let me know your experience. They only allow people who request a piece at this time and I'm not sure how much it costs yet!

hello @playitforward
my first company name was AAiva
bit seemlier to ur name ..

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@animag, cool! what did your company do?

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we were in designing Indian traditional clothing ....

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That's really cool. You can make an AI to generate textiles @animag

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AI??
not getting you

Ai and crypto is the future. I can't wait to see where we are in 10 years

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There's more, I have a post coming out on new years day if you are interested. I think there are three major things coming up. AI, Crypto, and the third will be in my post on Monday. :) @mathias240

Noo... nooooo waaaay. This can't be real! This is mind-blowing. I'm literally speechless.

I love it .
Amazing
Thanks friend>>>>1!!!!!!

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@programing Your name is Programming, surely you might be able to create something to generate midi notes in different ways, right? :)

I always find soundcloud very impressive. Many local artists become popular and appreciated for their good work because of the soundcloud. I love supporting the original and good work. Also thanks for your great post. Upvoted.

By the way anyone of you follow me to support i can really be happy. I am new around here :)

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Thank you! Please follow along, there's a post coming monday that will blow your mind :D @jeito

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Nice meme! @xyzposter, thankfully at least with the computer it's built using human tendencies and standards for theory, harmony, and in some cases, rhythm. What is an opportunity to me is using the technology to speed up the music creation process by helping generate ideas in a larger number, more quickly. Taking this information to write for the people that dedicate this passion, skill, and time to the music.

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XD i know it isn't as black and white, it had great memepotential nevertheless. Cheers!

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Hahaha very true.

I think it would alleviate the workload of composers, but it would not replace human talent

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Yes! @blanca56 this is what I think exactly as well. Thanks for commenting and reading about it!

I don't think this is a threat to composers that make original music.
If the software is just analyzing composers of the past we're just going to have machines turning out average compositions instead of humans making clone music. I do think A.I. can be used in more creative ways than just classical aplications, I find that exciting for making experimental geneative music compositions.

Good news. Interesting but also scary

I just played the samples for my daughter and told her afterwards that it was all created by a computer, with no human assistance. She was fascinated, but not surprised. I feel like an old man saying this, but I am truly in awe of just how far our tech has come...and rather intrigued to see what comes next. Kudos to you @playitforward .

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She may not think much of it. But it still is new to the music industry and the world... I guess kids sometimes feel like they know it all ;) I know I did. Don't feel old, and we will all grow with this technology.

Thanks for checking the post out, and I plan to be attempting to use some of this in the near future, will keep you updated! @blankimagery

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Looking forward to it 😊 👍

This is an interesting invention. Kudos

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@izge, I wish I had invented it. I just am presenting it to people. Thanks though for the kudos :)

The lack of human touch and feel in the compositions is obvious enough to a musician like myself, however I'm so overwhelmed by the magnitude of this achievement, that Its an insignificant factor to me. Bravo! Very VERY good job.

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I am with you there! It's huge. It doesn't feel overwhelmingly human, there are humanistic elements, but again thats what you get when a human programs a computer to sound like a human. @futuremind

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It's an amazing achievement nonetheless, and will most certainly suffice for many applications cutting costs for companies in audio track solutions while not threatening the industry. I love it! I just followed your blog.

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@futuremind thank you! More cool posts to come.

It's sound ok not great. Like you said it chopped, putting pieces together. I agree with you that great music composing requires feelings and emotions. Ofcourse we human we are bias thinking we are the best and nothing can ever replace us. However a co-composer like Aiva and other Ai base inventions that will come in the future will consider our buddy, best friends, our helper will neverhave emotions unless they are being build with our human brain, blood or some other liquid and our body until then all Ai inventions will be our best friends.
thanks great Article

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Yes, they will be our best friends as composers, but I don't believe they will fully be able to replace us. Who knows though really? @jules-network

As a professional composer, I have to say that this technology is frightening on the one hand and intriguing on the other. The question remains, what makes an ingenious composition. Is it the mere application of musical rules or is creativity not in the violation of the rules and the right balance in between?
Definitely an exciting development!

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I agree, I guess in a way it has to just be good enough to impress everyone who isn't a composer. It's definitely about balance of following reasonable musical rules while also breaking those rules that makes a good composer. Often compositions do call for solid structure and no rules broken too. I guess to what extent do you use AIVA and in what circumstances does its application help the music production process. @lifesciencemusic

A while ago I saw a drama "Humans" on artificial intelligence. I have an interesting interest in artificial intelligence. The music of aiva sounds very natural and beautiful.

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Hi @steemarmy,

I would love to watch this drama "Humans," even though it sounds sort of terrifyingly interesting.

I have mixed feelings. AIVA only sounds natural in parts because they are recordings of people playing them, and because it was programmed by humans based on human tendencies in music. This is true that it does a decent job, but it doesn't come anywhere near actually replacing human composition yet.

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wow Very interesting Really beautiful work, ThankS you for sharing

This is so amazing!! To see this is pretty exciting. How would concerts go if any?

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That’s a good question! @cheapspeakers I know there’s has been an orchestra of robots before. Maybe I’ll do a post of that!

I think this was brilliant, perhaps you even gave less credit for the music it produces was really impressive! I think this is something which will be around in the future big for real! thanks for sharing this with me :)

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@j1upineya thanks! It’s a cool idea they they executed fairly well. It gets better in the newer versions they made. As a composer it could have more ebb sndbox flow and dynamic changes. But it is really good for where it’s at right now.

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Yeh its really cool! I like the fraise non human music (NHM)? lol lets create it now :) but seriously it seems very very good so impressed!

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Or humanless! @j1upineya since that seems to have a more negative connotation.

It helps thank you for sharing

thanks for such an excellent publication I think you can create albums of robots greetings friend

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Hello @phillips93! Thanks, maybe that’s in store for the near future.

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Greetings is possible

I am a new steemer. I will visit frequently. I will follow you, too. Have a good day

This helps me sleep every night. Thanks, it's very peaceful and soothing.
hard to believe a programm made this :D

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I always sleep better at night when I know AI can potentially steal my job in 10 years. ;) @kindersaft

Good post, please follow and upvote me yes https://steemit.com/@devart
Thanks buddy.

Great Article...! here i try to write article about ### Latest Gadgets
Let me know if you like it.

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Just upvoted your post! Thanks for writing that. I didn't know about Amazon Trash actually! @vnyrox

This is fantastic! This is going to be a game changer especially for underground and experimental artists! Keep it up!

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Agreed, I think it will change the game. Let's all hope its best for all of us!!! @brokenwire

That was really fascinating. I will be honest with you, I think AIVA sounded really good and I think that the average listener would not be able to tell the difference, especially if the music were paired with visuals of some kind (movie or what have you). I agree, though, that film scores are far too complex for this software to accomplish, at the moment. In 10 years, or 20 years? Entirely possible.

I don't know if it is a threat to flesh and blood composers. I have a lot of faith in technology, lol. Maybe I just don't want to believe that it is. I think you are absolutely right that AIVA would slaughter the stock audio market. Hey quick let's get our hands on some deep learning stuff! Seriously, though, I have a huge interest in composing for film and look forward to reading more of your posts. Thank you!

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@tajmikel, I agree it will improve. I disagree that even in 10 or 20 years or ever that they will be able to do that. The thing about film scores is as much work goes into the spotting process. That means how a scene is read and perceived and what type of music is needed. Often that's subcontext on a plot element or what a character is currently feeling in that particular moment, or someone could say something that could change the arc of the story. I doubt that a computer will ever be able to do that.

If someone programs the computer to write a piece and tell it to change at specific times then maybe it could have a change, but it won't be elegant.

Thanks for commenting and hopefully I'll be opening more of the music for film world for you soon. If there's anything in particular you're interested in I'll keep it in mind for a near future post! :)

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Hi, @playitforward, I see your point about the intricacies of film scoring. I wonder if the composing AI were paired with some kind of recognition AI, to what extent it would be able to craft music specific to the scenes and themes depicted in a film. Just spit balling, but perhaps speech recognition and facial recognition paired to analyze a scene and interpret its qualities, etc. I think contemporary technology would not be able to achieve much, but perhaps in the future. Have you heard the black metal music created entirely by an AI that was fed black metal music? If not, try Googling for "black metal AI" or "DADABOTS". I think that AI technology will improve greatly in the coming decades, and I wouldn't be surprised if machine learning will grant computers the ability to interpret film pieces and produce tailored scores to fit. Of course, human intervention would likely always improve upon any computed process.

A thought - what if someone set AI to the task of, say, writing a script, and then animating it as a film, and then allowing the computer to score its own film?

Trippy. :D

Thanks again! :)

@madimov

Here's an AIVA post. :)

This is neat stuff! Very well written article too

It starts when you don't need coposers, then you won't need doctors, and at the end there will be machine porn! its the f-cking matrix!

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Haha There will always be need for doctors. I will be doing a post on monday about something related to this. You might find this interesting. @benedictus

The development of music art is an art that has been famous in the golden age of the dynasty.
This is not separated from the incessant translation of music treatises from the Greek language depth of Arabic, in addition to the many support and support of the rulers against musicians and poets to make the art of music growing.
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Music has contributed a variety of important heritage to modern society, including the field of music art.

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@abdulbarry Thanks for posting this. This is a really neat comment. Music is often how society expresses it's troubles, and ways to overcome.

I was just envisioning the progress of such a dystopian development last night. JK, but I do consider what such a program will do once it enters the pop industry, which is already questionable when it comes to the "human emotion" being conveyed. I feel like as this program progresses it could become the sole creator of pop hits in the future, as our minds numb, and we let our ears do all the listening. Artists like Katy Perry will go to musicbot records, sing a note or two, and the entire pop hit will be produced, lyrics and all.

As a musician, we already leverage software mightily. I used to create all my music with hardware until I found FL Studio and realized the advantages were large for me to cutover, but unexpectedly, through that transition, something was lost. A "feel" I had in my music became static and dry. That is, until I was able to integrate some of my old techniques into the music production, like plugging in instruments.

But once we let AI loose into the wilds of music production, it seems to me that some various gloomy eventualities present. However, I do really like the No Man's Sky soundtrack! Thanks for sharing.

Onward Indian.

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@glowmo, I see part of what you're saying. But I think that Katy Perry is one of the most brilliant lyricists and her songs are literally and physically masterfully crafted for pop music. I think the AIVA computer could potentially come up with the magic framework that makes a pop song, but wouldn't be able to produce it to the level her producers can. I mean Max Martin vs a computer... anyone would hire Max Martin. Regardless of price.

Yes, the digital feeling loses it all. That's why I supplement it with analogue modeling with my UAD interface and plugins.

No Man's Sky was brilliant huh? When I played it I just was mindblown that it could be all procedurally generated... like... how is the whole world not freaking out about this still?

What an amazing innovation and information provided, totally agree about no human feeling music but this can also be an opportunity to elevate the music with the human feeling and computer ai comboned to the next level. Looking forward to how the future is going to shape up for musicians. Thank you for the amazing information shared, Kudos!

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@djlethalskillz, Thanks! I agree with you. Thanks for coming and checking it out and the comments!

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Not if I can help it ;)

Dumbest idea ever for passionate musicians. It sounds like shit and I can't feel a single bump of it. didn't speak my language. It is like a fighter pilot watching a cartoon version of top gun drawn by a robot and there is a 1 or a 0 between every frame. I could hear the algorithm right off the bat and thought the choices were so stupid and with slight changes could be so much better. it may be a start but by the time you get it real enough why dont you just stop copying music and compose something yourself? I am all for tech but whats next digital hamburger that doesn't fill you up? Some things should be left to humans at least for another 100 years.

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I think it's something for musicians also to see as an asset to start us off, and like you said... we can take it and make it better. :) @mikewilsonexp

With so many new innovations being announced every week I wonder how our lives will be a few decades later.

The songs are amazing!!
I really like it so much, I would really Resteen this and share this too!

Thanks for sharing !

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Thanks @haarshan36 I appreciate it. Please check back on the profile once in a while!

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Will do check back for more amazing post from you
upvoted!

Had read about it when the song was released

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Quantum computers are the key elements for AI

sound greattttt!!!!!! the future is here! i need it now!

very amazing. i love it.
i am new here so vote me and follow me.

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Thanks, what part of AIVA do you love most? @cristitaylor

Sounds terrible.

Someone get a hammer.

are they producing for market?

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I believe they produce custom pieces when requested. :D @hasnain06

It is really good job. Happy new year.

incredibly interesting, thank you for putting this together. i had the chance to listen to the soundcloud page some and i am surprised by the emotional complexity Aiva is able to achieve.

as a someone who composes music for others for a living this is slightly threatening. are we going to be gone away with like truck drivers and factory workers in the AI future?

Wow, I would not be able to tell that an artificial intelligence created this music

I think the second symphony is the best one. I could see that being used in a movie.

This was very interesting, thanks for sharing! Very in depth and informative.

I see this more being a way for people to give a computer a melody and using it to fill in the rest accordingly. Kind of like an autofill feature, but a computer wont be able to score music until we hit a true AI, imo.

Wow Sounds great, incredible that was composed by a computer.

This post is so good I had to comment again

Great post there, keep up good work !

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Intriguing!

It's sad but human is a machine too)))... in many ways. So there is nothing to worry about))

excellent post friend you have my vote and I will start to follow

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Thank you @joelgonz1982, I look forward to seeing what you think of the posts to come!

Not even close to what a human composer can achieve, or for that matter any mammalian composer ( birds, etc) Its interesting, but its soul less math imo.