Awesome. I had no idea about those two channels. I'll have to give @r0nd0n's channel a shout one of these days. If there are any more channels with great people in them I'd love to know in another post. I feel like one of the downfalls of PAL right now is it's so big, but not enough direction or information shared about what all it offers (maye I'm wrong and just haven't look in the right places also completely possible).