"Thou Shalt Steem No Posts Above Thine Own" - And, Like, Especially Don't Resteem Posts "To Bookmark Them"

in #minnowsupportproject8 years ago (edited)

Resteems destroy your feed. Luckily, there's a simple formula to determine how many you should use:

IF (Resteems) > 0, THEN (you've used too many).

There, I said it.

Of course, it doesn't apply quite the same way to all established users, and these users know who they are.

However, for the vast majority of Steemit users, it's the truth. Until a Resteem filter exists, this is a tool fraught with more peril than benefit for the budding blogger extraordinaire.

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Must be some wiggle-room in there. I don't have strong opinions on goat milk, personally.

By the way, in case you were wondering what the heck that was, it's the "Ritual Decalogue" from Exodus 34:11. It's interesting enough for it's own post.

Here are some things you don't want when someone comes to your blog thinking about following you:

  1. Them clicking on a Resteem that takes them out of your blog, never to return.
  2. Them being unable to find your content, concluding you are a serial Resteem'er, and leaving.
  3. Them deciding your post frequency will overwhelm their feed, so they do not follow you.

All of these outcomes are increased in likelihood if you Resteem too often (or at all).

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Only one of these paths leads to following you.

Frankly, early on, you probably shouldn't Resteem at all. As @Geke pointed out in the last post of my series on gaining followers, most authors will not even know you Resteemed their work. I no longer receive browser notifications for Steemit (and when I do, there are hundreds), so I only know if a post of mine gets Resteemed if I see it in someone's feed, or they tell me in a comment! (To be fair, I do like those comments...)

Sure, you might say that users can simply check you on ChainBB if they want to see your posts in chronological order without Resteems.

Do you really want to add an extra barrier of entry / separate-website-bar to deciding whether to read your content and follow your future work? Any marketer will tell you there is no debate to be had here, the answer is no.

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It was not rhetorical.

Resteeming is an act of charity, lending your exposure to a post or author that you think deserves more attention. The curation rewards are, most often, a rounding error.

The truth is, though, it's not really a loan, it's a gift.

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You're not getting "back" any votes that go to your Resteems, or prospective followers that skip your feed.

Let's look at a successful author, @JerryBanfield. Thanks to his recent post on the "Steemit More Info" tool, (click me) we can see a nifty graph of his posting habits over the last two months.

See how much he Resteems?

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Note also the consistent posting schedule - not too few, not too many.

Do you really think you know audience management and content creation better than this guy does?

I rest my case.

Even worse than an intentional Resteem of quality content, is the "Resteem to read later."

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Names and avatars removed to protect the innocent.

I still see this happen everyday. If you care at all about your blog, do not be this person. I will not follow a person who does this, as I like to at least rationalize that my feed could be useful again someday.

If you have any additions or errata for this post, please let me know! I will see that they are voted to the top of the comments, and will make the appropriate edits (if possible).

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Unfortunately, this isn't something STINC cares about. The requests/desires of actual bloggers (and their readers) on this blogging site are continually ignored. A separate Resteem tab for user blog pages has been requested since September 2016 (shortly after Resteems were implemented) and there are no plans to implement this feature at any time in the near future.

So, welcome to the "future" of social media...where last generation's critical features/functions are disregarded.

Why is retention so poor around here again? Hmm...I wonder...

"Unfortunately, this isn't something STINC cares about."

I've noticed this. I gave up pointing out this was a useful feature, and have moved on to making practical, mitigating suggestions for individuals.

"Why is retention so poor around here again? Hmm...I wonder..."

I have noticed it goes very quiet in between bursts of news or price movements. I haven't been here long enough to draw any reliable conclusions, but it's one of my main concerns as I submit content on the platform.

Thank you for stopping by!

One thing.
ReSteem should have a 'comment' section' in which the person doing the resteeming can do so.
Kinda sorta like FaceBook shares
I do 're-posts' ocassionally to the same effect. I Used to do it more often until someone complained and said it was unfair.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around that .

but I agree...if the majority of what someone posts are resteem..why should I bother to follow them at all?

"ReSteem should have a 'comment' section' in which the person doing the resteeming can do so."

That's a great idea! If there was some way for the author who is Resteeming to add value, that would totally change my assessment.

" do 're-posts' ocassionally to the same effect."

Everyone seems to have different opinions on this. I've heard 3 months, and never both proffered as time frames for when this is accessible.

Thanks for stopping in, Mickey!

awesome idea. id use it.

resteemed LOL

I think I can get away with it

maybe later I'll run off a string of my own posts

but I want to emphasize that for new Steemers, you are ABSOLUTELY right

"I think I can get away with it"

Hah, yes, you probably can! Thank you for stopping in, appreciate you featuring my work.

no problem!

Thanks for the read

Of course. You have some interesting posts!

thanks!

I saw this on your re-steem, btw ;)

resteems have value to the OP; so it is a good way to appreciate writers you like AND a good way to share work that you value

Lexiconical's point is that newer Steemers should avoid cluttering their own feeds while building their networks

I should have just posted these two lines instead of writing an article and formatting images and citations and junk.

yeah, but then I probably wouldnta reSteemed it ;>

To be honest, not something I was counting on when I wrote the title. ;)

Indeed, it was a true act of charity from stevescoins!

I get that it feels ironic, too. ;)

Hmm, well okay then. It would have been nice to know this from the start. I read the entire faq once I joined, and the 2 sentences explaining resteeming are simply not effective, compared reading the above post.

The faq is rather lacking in specifics, and this info is well.... need to know! Things are now making a little more sense in how things actually work around here.

A simple statement like: if you are below a 60 rep, do not hit that resteem button! Would be helpful for new users just joining.

I wouldn't have found this post, except I was browsing minnowsupport, and found it by accident. Food for thought.

Have a great day. :-)

I'm glad you found it helpful!

Honestly, the FAQ isn't likely to give these sorts of on-the-ground bits of advice. And, of course, there are some people who like to resteem despite my suggestions. However, if you are looking to be a regular author here, I think it is a mistake early on!

Well thanks for the 411, much appreciated. I have written up a lil post to let people know about this. Hopefully it will do some good.

Have a great day! :-)

Jerry is famous and does not need to resteeem. The rules for rich jerry with 16K followers and a minnow with 1000 followers and no sp are not the same.

This is why you see people who only post their own stuff with very low rewards. They grind out the posts to no one. Maybe later it will catch on or maybe later they will get tired.

I'm here for the connections and the rewards. I don't have a rabid following so jerry's ways would not work for me. I have to go after friends instead of them flocking to me.

I resteem at least 10 times for each post I publish. If you want to find my posts - they are in my tag - fitinfun - and there are not too many of them since they did not make any money until recently (I am trying to post more now).

If you want to find good posts that have a chance of getting good rewards - check my feed. Those are the posts I promote on multiple social media channels in my efforts to grow my curation rewards.

For the most part - I upvoted at $1 and the post will go over $20. You can verify this by scrolling my feed to see the rewards increase.

There is more than one way to steem :)

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Really good advice. Resteemed ;)

I actually decided today that I was going to start unfollowing people after @minnowpond spammed the hell out of my feed yesterday with resteems and I've been getting a steady stream of dribble from certain witness(es) who I won't name but one of them is on his last leg with me.

So yeh, ditto. Don't be one of those guys. I'm sure they think they're doing everyone a great service, but it's hard enough to stay on top of the feed as it is without serial resteemers.

I noticed that about minnowpond in my feed, as well. It's selling resteems now, so that may become an issue for me.

I'm not sure which witness you mean, but no need to elaborate.

Thanks for the resteem!

If minnowpond are doing that then I'd wager you'll be able to watch their follow numbers crater in real time.

I didn't actually resteem your post. That was kind of an attempt at an ironic joke.

Ah, yes, I wasn't sure exactly how to take that and I didn't check.

I think it's all about balance. I might resteem a post every few days, but the mass majority of the content followers see from me is my own. I resteem something when I think my followers might enjoy it.

I write about a few things, and sometimes resteem a post on the same subjects. I don't, however, resteem something I wouldn't post about myself, as my followers may not be very interested in it.

I see resteeming as a way to show support for an author, and if someone never resteems, it looks to me like they're lacking a sense of community. Just my opinion though...

'I see resteeming as a way to show support for an author"

Agreed; I tried to convey that with this piece. However, if you have 1000 followers or less, you'll find that your Resteems often seem to add about 3 cents to a post. Mine only hit a few consequential voters.

While I have my own opinion about Jerry Banfield, your point is well-taken. I had a habit of resteeming a few posts a day, but that was also when I was putting out at least two posts a day. I still resteem, even though I don't post nearly as much as I should anymore, but it does clutter up the feed severely.

If only we had a way to sort resteems into their own tab...

"If only we had a way to sort resteems into their own tab..."

Unfortunately, as ats-david notes above, that features seem to be actively suppressed from the platform. There seems to be some disagreement at the top about whether it's a good thing...

Oh I know. I was being sarcastic.

Yes, I probably would have noticed that if I wasn't simply working through my reply feed so rapidly, trying to catch up to the current date...whoops.

I reserve my resteem's for posts I really like and want to promote, maybe 2-3 week~!

That's about what I do, and I think it's still too many!

Unfortunately, too true for minnow-level accounts like me. I've altered my approach to timeline real estate because of this conclusion.

But as we've talked about before, the short-term growth of this network depends on established accounts increasing the steemflow. The more that happens, the faster this pie grows. Hoarding Steem seems silly right now. If you want to speculate, cash out and move dollars all over the cryptocurrency scene as a legit trader.

I'm still piecing a few narrative points together but there's maybe some correlation between post values in the past and the values we see today regarding this issue.

" the short-term growth of this network depends on established accounts increasing the steemflow. "

I think the flow is currently constrained mostly by lack of voting activity/effort. It's difficult to find content, and many users have just set their favorite authors to auto-vote.

Yeah, that also seems to be causing a bottleneck. Definitely multiple factors. There are some interface design changes relating to curation that might help to move eyeballs and voting power where it will have the most legitimate benefit to growing the strength of the network. I still have a lot of reading to do in regards to platforms advancement the Steemit team intends to roll out - have any good links on that topic to share?

I can't really provide any good links, but the main upcoming feature would be "communities". There's not much in the way of public information on it, however.

You could also look up HF20; that will be the next "major" change to the network.

For sure, thanks for the heads up. Honestly, with something new and small like Steemit, reliable/official information can be a little sparse

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