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That sucks, it seems a handful of States did either cave
to the big pharma lobby, or it's propaganda efforts.

I understand that the FDA is going all out after it... it's natural and can't be of any use to Big Pharma. My question is why aren't the pharmaceutical companies protecting pain meds like they are nut pills!

FDA is after it right now, but for different reasons and not associated with an outright ban, which seems to be put aside for now. Apparently, there have been numerous Salmonella related incidents directly associated with kratom. Kratom, like any botanical, has a risk of salmonella if the proper 'kill' steps are not part of the process. Where this has become complicated, is that most kratom companies have voluntarily recalled their products, but one company has outright refused. This has led FDA to issue its first ever 'mandatory recall' for a food product - bad for the company for sure, but also bad for the category and potentially botanicals industry and products. You're often known by the company you keep....

@lmon another point worth mentioning is that the FDA is largely attacking this because it is a threat to their stakeholders. The herbal remedy does such a good job on so many issues, that it's a clear and present danger to up and coming pharmaceuticals that have yet to be approved.

It's sick, they're waging war on synthetics street drugs, while at the same time creating a protection racket for the synthetics that pay their way through FDA approval. Then when they pass through something that's catastrophic and rushed, like vioxx, they don't take any responsibility for their mistakes.

The big pharmakeia sorcerers are wolfs in sheep's clothing. It's like doctors who wear white coats. They are the 3rd leading cause of death via iatrogenic "disease", or "disorders", which is basically just a clever way of them conveying that they killed the patient.

Just remember, if something is GRAS (generally recognized as safe and effective ), it don't mean that shit won't kill or permanently injure you. So any time the FDA says the word 'safe and effective' they are not using those words in the common sense, or as it pertains to the individual.

@thoughts-in-time, good point. I've suggested to a friend of mine who does research on this and other natural products that she should include an economist on her research panel, since having even more support for products like kratom, and having the science and economic backing in that it would lower drug costs at the same time would be a good story. Now, getting the story from the science to the market is another thing.

Continuing to your point, the FDA does protect its pharma stakeholders. And creating new diseases and expanding classification of people who have disease that needs meds (statins for example) are other tactics.

But, back to kratom, there are truly other worse offenders that should be targeted and off the market. What a waste of resources.

I go to an Indian reservation there's a holistic healing store there that I trust. They also sell it at the "head shops" and I wouldn't touch any of their products with the proverbial "ten foot pole."

That's a good question! You know, maybe the people at the pharmaceutical companies have decided to take a quieter approach after trump suggested that drug dealers should be executed.

I'm of half the mind, that Trump may have only suggested that in order to gauge reactions, and or stir the pot a bit. I could see where it might really confuse the hell out of big pharma's lobbyists. They might want to know: "When he says drug dealers, is he talking about us (big pharma), or illegal street drug dealers?"

I left a similar comment over at @tftproject's recent post. It's really hard to gauge Trump at times, how serious he is being. People like Jones for example think that he recently played the left by encouraging them to put their gun control wishes into legislation.

He thinks that Trump was trying to get them to show their hand, which would result in the right getting mobilized enough to defeat it. If he's that wiley, it's going to be one hell of a rollercoaster ride, and he'll need to be watched like a hawk, because if he is that clever, there's no telling whose side he's really on.. on any given issue.

He's a businessman and a good one. If you use N. Korea as a model, remember what he said last year: "I have nukes and my finger is on the button." Now look where they are- ready to come to the table for peace talks. He's a lot smarter than people give him credit for. I can tell you from experience the advantage of acting like a clown sometimes... people underestimate you at just the wrong time!

I tell you @richq11 it's something else to witness. I don't think I've seen someone exercise that level of game before in my life! In the movies maybe.

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