Mutually Assured Destruction, It's Time To Bring It Back.

in #life7 years ago

Wikipedia attempts to put M.A.D. on the continuum of the
history of those who believe that 'once war is made too horrible,
people will obviously cease to fight it.' This is a mistaken conflation
of the two. M.A.D. does not belong here. M.A.D. is not the delusion
of those who recoil from war so far, that they cannot face reality.
M.A.D. is the sane man's response to an insane world. The only thing
that stops a sane man from acting when he believes that his
existence is under threat of annihilation, is the threat of that action
bringing CERTAIN annihilation.

M.A.D. is the insurance policy of a nuclear power against another, that
if nuclear power 1 attacks nuclear power 2, then nuclear power 1 will
meet certain annihilation. It's a standoff in which both parties are
guaranteed failure if they attack the other. It has been demonstrated
to work. It is not insane, as the acronym of it's name implies. M.A.D. is
not madness, it is the ultimate CYA (cover your ass) and was the only
thing that allowed many military men to sleep at night, during the
cold war. The all consuming fire was the implacable enforcer of peace.

Terrorists are two bit punks compared to the threat of being evaporated
into plasma at any random, unguessable second. We lost something
when we stopped being mindful that we're on a precipice, staring down
at the great black oblivion that is a new dark age, or even extinction. We
took a truism 'be here now' and tried to give it total deference without
any care for a future that we might want.

If you didn't personally, my apologies, but those of us who decided to
ignore things because they were too horrible, we buried the care it
takes to tread in a world full of hazards. We need to bring back this
vigilance, not the mind numbing fear of being torn asunder at the
subatomic level suddenly, and without warning, but the attentiveness
that is borne of caring that there is a tomorrow, instead of living every
day like there isn't.

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Not a bad take on that insane situation; a very difficult moral quandary from any angle

There were those that tried to play things both ways:

“No incineration without representation,” the European Peace Movement shouts; yet when we seek to bring home our army, we are accused of “isolationist selfishness” by the very governments that seek to prevent our deploying the weapons that might give our armies a chance in a European war.

This quote speaks very clearly to a central problem of MAD

There’s a second problem with deterrence. It’s immoral. Free men standing between their loved homes and the war’s desolation is compatible with Judeo-Christian tradition and the Thomistic doctrine of Just War. Setting fire to the enemy’s women and children isn’t. Yet if we don’t threaten to bum Russian schoolgirls, how can we honor our pledge to Europe? Without credible threats, we are thrown upon the good will of a gang of aged homicidal maniacs who have conclusively proven that they care very little for their own civilians and nothing at all for anyone else’s. Lest you doubt that, closely examine Andropov’s role in the 1956 Hungarian uprising.

Which leads to another issue:

One of the assumptions is that deterrence is possible, i.e., that the potential enemy is sufficiently rational; that he knows the consequences of the forbidden action and cares enough to avoid them. You cannot deter the utterly mad or those who no longer care about the future

We did a decent job in that uncertain insanity; at least we didn't melt the world!

Quotes taken from "Introduction DETERRENT OR DEFENSE?" of Pournelle's There Will Be War Volume III

War is immoral, a promise of self defense is not. I've been unsure about Pournelle for a long time. I don't know how he got along well enough with Larry Niven to write a whole book with him.

Deterrence is not only possible, it is demonstrated in practice. All enemies who stated they would fight to the last man stood down eventually if their defeat was obvious.

If We the People want to have a better chance at not being led into madness, by the irrational, or despondent, we should cease to employ politicians as our leaders, and probably cease to accept leadership at all.

Putting up signs that say 'trespassers will be shot' is not immoral. There is an argument to be made about actually doing it.

I love the comments.

think of Pournelle as an empire builder w/o being a globalist; a neocon w/o being a corruptocrat or closet leftist

He sees the first line of American defense as engagement outside the county; theoretically I have agreed with him most of my life. the corruption the neocons have brought to that policy makes me question it realistically

His blog is https://www.jerrypournelle.com/chaosmanor/
a smart guy whether you agree with him or not ;>

He's a smart guy and a good writer. I think he and I disagree on words not equating to actions.

One of the problems with political parties, and mass practice of ideology is the eventual subversion of groups or movements by the control freaks.

Conquest's 2nd law of politics, growth complex, Pournelle's (again) Iron Law, and many more theories tend to agrre with you

but if the pyschos didn't have government to rob you with, they'd hold you up at the liquor store ;>

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