I hope you also acknowledge that all these happen because of oil and because more or less we invaded the area first for a good 20 years now. Most "terrorists" (enemy soldiers really), saw at least one family member die from missiles, drones or other form of western intervention.
I think you are making some great points here. But I disagree that it's that simple. How do you explain westerners that convert and go to fight for ISIS or commit domestic terror attacks? They didn't have any missiles in their lives, yet they gave their lives up. There is another component that enables this and this component is religion. And Islam has proven particularly potent in helping create terrorists willing to sacrifice their own lives.
This is such a problematic issue because there isn't a simple cause and unfortunately there isn't a simple solution. But understanding the other side certainly helps and the way you explained it has its certain merits and is surely a part of the reasoning for a part of the Islamic terrorists.
How do you explain westerners that convert and go to fight for ISIS or commit domestic terror attacks?
Rare cases, statistically acceptable much like rare cases of cancer or special mental issues or societal fringe scenarios. They just get overblown by popular media.
There is another component that enables this and this component is religion. And Islam has proven particularly potent in helping create terrorists willing to sacrifice their own lives.
It might be true up to a point but the state worked much the same..or a company like apple really. brain-washing is easy.
Your points certainly have merit, but I still think religion plays a huge role in this. It's what the people that are giving their lives are doing it for by their own admission. We might be theorizing about many reasons they are not mentioning but their conscious motivation is crystal clear and I don't see a valid reason for us to deny that or to hedge that.
But as I said before, I think the reasons are complex and also different for different individuals. Anybody that is claiming that there is only one factor causing this is bound to be off.
Your points certainly have merit, but I still think religion plays a huge role in this. It's what the people that are giving their lives are doing it for by their own admission.
Well, where do you think religion stems from? Aren't we all believers more or less in regards to some things? Some people lose everything and just chose to believe one thing
We might be theorizing about many reasons they are not mentioning but their conscious motivation is crystal clear and I don't see a valid reason for us to deny that or to hedge that.
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But as I said before, I think the reasons are complex and also different for different individuals. Anybody that is claiming that there is only one factor causing this is bound to be off.
Well, where do you think religion stems from? Aren't we all believers more or less in regards to some things? Some people lose everything and just chose to believe one thing
Religion is intertwined with politics and in the case of Muslim states, directly with government.
I'm ripping on religion and I insist for it to be pointed out as part of the problem because I think it is. We might all be believers on some level but nothing teaches stubbornness in believing totally unsubstantiated claims like religion. Nothing makes it easier to control a person than their total abdication from critical thinking.
In the end, I think we are very much on the same page, aren't we?
You need to provide evidence. Just because you believe religion is the problem doesn't make it so. heck it make my argument more correct since you base it on your blind belief.
correlation is not causation.
japan, vietnam, soviet union all atheist countries and did the same atrocities.
What evidence is more solid than the person doing something saying "I'm doing it because of X"? Is the fact that the terrorists in question are doing what they are doing in the name of Islam disputed?
I didn't say "the problem", I said "part of the problem". Do you find the evidence for than insufficient?
Or are you disputing my more general assertions about religion in the second part of my comment? If so, I agree that I didn't provide evidence for those here. It goes without saying that I wouldn't mind arguing the point, but I'm not sure we need to go on this tangent.
The "nothing" part was more rhetorical than a literal assertion and I agree that there is more than one way to control a population. Religion is one of the best tools, but there are certainly others too.
I get you, and I did read your post about the topic a while back. But I simply prefer the west. It's not popular, we're all supposed to hate ourselves and our culture, but I personally prefer it, and I'm honest about it.
I also prefer the west but I ain't fighting for their sake...I don't hate my culture. I just think all these are a game of cards and citizens of both sides are the puppets.
At least you are honest.
I hope you also acknowledge that all these happen because of oil and because more or less we invaded the area first for a good 20 years now. Most "terrorists" (enemy soldiers really), saw at least one family member die from missiles, drones or other form of western intervention.
They are pissed. Is that simple.
I think you are making some great points here. But I disagree that it's that simple. How do you explain westerners that convert and go to fight for ISIS or commit domestic terror attacks? They didn't have any missiles in their lives, yet they gave their lives up. There is another component that enables this and this component is religion. And Islam has proven particularly potent in helping create terrorists willing to sacrifice their own lives.
This is such a problematic issue because there isn't a simple cause and unfortunately there isn't a simple solution. But understanding the other side certainly helps and the way you explained it has its certain merits and is surely a part of the reasoning for a part of the Islamic terrorists.
Rare cases, statistically acceptable much like rare cases of cancer or special mental issues or societal fringe scenarios. They just get overblown by popular media.
It might be true up to a point but the state worked much the same..or a company like apple really. brain-washing is easy.
Your points certainly have merit, but I still think religion plays a huge role in this. It's what the people that are giving their lives are doing it for by their own admission. We might be theorizing about many reasons they are not mentioning but their conscious motivation is crystal clear and I don't see a valid reason for us to deny that or to hedge that.
But as I said before, I think the reasons are complex and also different for different individuals. Anybody that is claiming that there is only one factor causing this is bound to be off.
Well, where do you think religion stems from? Aren't we all believers more or less in regards to some things? Some people lose everything and just chose to believe one thing
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yeap. totally agree. too much entropy.
Religion is intertwined with politics and in the case of Muslim states, directly with government.
I'm ripping on religion and I insist for it to be pointed out as part of the problem because I think it is. We might all be believers on some level but nothing teaches stubbornness in believing totally unsubstantiated claims like religion. Nothing makes it easier to control a person than their total abdication from critical thinking.
In the end, I think we are very much on the same page, aren't we?
You need to provide evidence. Just because you believe religion is the problem doesn't make it so. heck it make my argument more correct since you base it on your blind belief.
correlation is not causation.
japan, vietnam, soviet union all atheist countries and did the same atrocities.
What evidence is more solid than the person doing something saying "I'm doing it because of X"? Is the fact that the terrorists in question are doing what they are doing in the name of Islam disputed?
I didn't say "the problem", I said "part of the problem". Do you find the evidence for than insufficient?
Or are you disputing my more general assertions about religion in the second part of my comment? If so, I agree that I didn't provide evidence for those here. It goes without saying that I wouldn't mind arguing the point, but I'm not sure we need to go on this tangent.
The "nothing" part was more rhetorical than a literal assertion and I agree that there is more than one way to control a population. Religion is one of the best tools, but there are certainly others too.
I get you, and I did read your post about the topic a while back. But I simply prefer the west. It's not popular, we're all supposed to hate ourselves and our culture, but I personally prefer it, and I'm honest about it.
I also prefer the west but I ain't fighting for their sake...I don't hate my culture. I just think all these are a game of cards and citizens of both sides are the puppets.