About iostkr (iostkr에 대해서)
(English version is below)
이글은 중복된 글입니다.
@acidyo로부터 저희가 네이버에서 글을 카피 복사한다는 거짓정보로 마녀사냥을 한다는 잘못된 정보를 바로 잡고자 중복해서 올립니다.
안녕하세요!
저희는 IOST 파트너로 IOST에 대해서 한국 커뮤니티에 대해 알리기 위해 스티밋에서 활동하고 있습니다.
오랫동안 스티밋에 활동했으며 약 110만 스팀파워를 보유하고 있습니다.
저희는 IOST의 영문 뉴스를 한글로 번역해서 스티밋에 하루에 1-2개정도의 포스팅을 하고 있으며
저희가 IOST재단의 뉴스를 이곳에 포스팅하는 사실은 IOST재단에서도 알고 있으며 분기별로 제출하는 리포트에서
저희의 노력을 인정받아 4분기에는 티어 3 파트너가 되었습니다.
지난 10월 하드포크 이후 보팅보상이 높아지면서
저희가 가지고 있는 약 130만 정도의 스팀파워중 1-2풀보팅을 하고 있습니다.
나머지 8개의 풀보팅은 zzan, kr, tasteem 에 있는 한국분에게 저의 적절한 비율로그날 보팅파워를 사용하고 있습니다. @happybelly를 통해 보팅을 받으신 한국분들은 제가 매뉴얼로 직접 금액이 작은 포스팅에 주로 보팅을 하고 있습니다. 약 30-50분의 포스팅에 매일 보팅을 해드리고 있습니다.
저희 포스팅은 10월에 @ocdb로부터 다운보팅을 받기 시작하였고
그중 한 멤버는 저와의 대화에서 저희의 포스팅은 노력이 없고 가치가 없는 글이라고 하였고,
저는 저희의 목적이 IOST의 소식을 스티밋 커뮤니티에 전해주기 위해 노력한다고 하였습니다.
저희가 하는 포스팅은 IOST재단에서 트위터, 미디움, 텔레그램 파트너방등에서 나오는 영문으로 된 소식을
구글 번역기를 사용하고 이상한 부분은 저희가 직접 다듬어서 한국 커뮤니티 분들에게 조금이라도 IOST소식을 전하려는데 있습니다.
하지만 그 글이 IOST에 관심이 없거나 자기가 언어장벽으로 이해하기 힘들다는 이유로 가치가 없다고
다운보팅을 하면 저희는 할말이 없습니다.
저희는 단 한번도 남의 글을 복사해서 포스팅을 한적이 없으며 제가 구글 번역기와 함께 직접 번역해서 글을
올리는 것이므로 @acidyo가 네이버에 있는 글을 카피한다는 말은 전혀 사실이 아닙니다.
저희의 포스팅이 다른 곳에 비슷하게 있을수도 있습니다. 왜냐하면 저희는 IOST재단에서 나오는 뉴스를
바뀜없이 번역해서 올리기 때문입니다. 하지만 그 과정에서 구글 번역의 사용으로 같은 내용이 나오는걸
복사했다고 마녀사냥하는 것은 옳지 않다고 생각합니다.
저희는 먼저 다운보팅을 한적이 없으며 모든 포스팅은 가치가 있다고 생각합니다.
하지만 저희의 포스팅이 다운보팅을 계속 받아서 저희도 다운보팅을 하기도 하였습니다.
백만이 넘는 스파가 있어서 보상이 커서 하루 2번의 셀프보팅도 반대하는것은 스팀에 투자를 하지 말라고 하는 것과 다를바 없다고 생각됩니다.
저희는 앞으로도 IOST소식을 스티밋에 전해드릴려고 합니다.
앞으로도 많은 응원 부탁드립니다. 감사합니다.
(This is the same post as we wrote a month ago to correct wrong information from @acidyo)
Hi,
We are working as a partner for IOST to deliver news to the Korean community on Steemit.
We have been here for a long time and have about 1.1 million steam powers as of today.
Since the hard fork in October, our postings started to get downvoted by @ocdb. At the same day of the first downvote, we talked to one of ocdb’s member, and was told that our posts were effortless and worthless. We explained the purpose of us and asked whether you tried to understand the posts. But the answer was just no value. We did not understand his or her reasoning because it seemed like he or her we were talking to did not even know what the post was about. We thought our posts might not be interested in because every post is written by Korean and it is about other altcoin.
We translate IOST's English news into Korean, posting one or two per day on Steemit. IOST foundation is aware of the fact that we post their news here from their Twitter, Medium and Telegram. Every partner of IOST submits a quarterly report to inform what they contributed for ecosystem during each quarter, and we became the Tier 3 partner in the fourth quarter. There is somebody else who knows our effort and contribution.
We really appreciate Steemit community.
Of the 1.1 million steam powers, we are currently using 1 to 2 full-votes for iostkr and rest of them are manually used for Korean community, especially on zzan, kr, and tasteem. We vote for 30 – 50 posts daily.
We've never copied posts from others. However, you might see a similar post on other platforms, such as naver.com(Korean Portal like Google) or daum.net(similar to Naver.com) because we use the Google Translator. Our posts might also be similar to others because there are other partners who translate the same news from IOST foundation and post the news on other platforms. Please do not blame for what you have not known deeply.
We will continue to deliver IOST news to Steemit.
Thank you so much the support.
Well that would explain the identical posts that I also found on IOST Facebook and other blog post, it would not explain why these posts are voted in late and seemed as it was just a means of farming rewards.
This is not true, I nor @anomadsoul have talked to anyone of you about this account. I wrote a post about this and my reasoning for the downvotes which just got downvoted from you and nothing else was said: https://steemit.com/downvotes/@acidyo/the-iostkr-account
I'd prefer some communication next time as well over mindless retaliation and downvoting (especially when the retaliation occurs on random posts that may not deserve the downvotes). Thank you for writing this post in english as well.
Hey, I talked with you on Sep 5 on discord, and you said you were trying to break off some voting rings that you look extracting value from system.
After that, we reduce the number of daily posting to 2 posts maximum daily, but you guys kept downvoting our posts by saying that our posting are effortless and copied and pasted from others which is absolutely not.
Regarding retaliation you keep mentioning, we never downvote someone's post first, but use downvote to keep our posts.
One more thing, use your downvotes whenever you want and whatever you want.
I do not blame for your downvotes I have received because you are doing something you think right.
I am writing this post mainly to correct wrong information on your post that we are copying and pasting and may have a relationship with proxy(?) whom I am not aware of.
That discussion on discord was not about the IOST account, that's why I wanted to correct that information. I noticed this account later and when it seemed to mainly copy posts from other platforms (which usually steemcleaner would detect and downvote but maybe it had trouble doing so because of the language) and on top of that they were being voted on late which seems weird considering you want to promote the partnership and get it as much views as possible it seemed like reward farming.
If you could show some proof of the partnership, the original writer on the facebook/IOST blog post acknowledging that you have the right to cross-post them here then there would be no problem (even though others may still disagree with the rewards) but it wouldn't seem like theft in that case.
The original Discord discussions were about the low amount of accounts you (happybelly - the account that delegated to it) was voting for and we were at the same time trying to break off the low circle of users @sweetssj was voting on as well, so these two are not connected.
As for retaliation, it says way more about you than it does about us. People can conclude our curation and methods compared to yours and then our downvoting and reasoning. It's not hard to check on these statistics to make a decision on who's doing what's best for Steem and who is not.
Just to simplify with an example.
Imagine I spoke german and create an account called @enjinde and it would post blog updates from an official german enjin account which seemed identical, then I would be voting these with my accounts late thus getting no engagement, no attempts of engagement myself (with comments) and (even though this doesn't matter much) it would constantly be powering down the account. On top of that if someone were to downvote me I would instantly use all my accounts to retaliate on their posts without caring if it's copied or original content and any users they may be associated with.
It would not look good.
That's why I made the post linked above explaining my reasoning but instead of communicating about it then it was just retaliation, so while I appreciate the communication now I hope you understand my perspective.
While I did say they were of low effort for the amount of rewards they were receiving I didn't say worthless. To reiterate, the biggest problem was that the main voter of these posts was one account who only voted on a few accounts.
Honestly it seems like you're trying to paint us in a bad light with our reasoning of our downvotes and to play the victim here. If that's your goal then I feel like I've wasted my time coming here and explaining my perspective.
I tried to explain to the person I talked to in Discord very hard the EIP and why only voting on a few accounts with most stake goes against it, the rest of the platform have understood it and adjusted their voting behavior to assist Steem and proof of brain while many in your community don't seem to have cared about it. Hope you understand at some point how that is not helping Steem and there's no justifications for how much Steem you've bought or at what price you've bought it, users need to understand that they can't be entitled for post rewards from the rewardpool as that should depend on genuine curation from as many different accounts as possible to enforce proof of brain.
We are not promoting our partnership here to get our posts viewed as many as possible by translating the information of IOST. We are already working as a partner ranked in Tier 3 based on quarter 4. We are working for Korean community by translating IOST news written by English into Korean, and IOST foundation has already known this because we submit our activities regarding translations from their medium and information from twitter.
You may not know this, but this have been already posted on steemit.
I am sorry if you did not say 'WORTHLESS' but you said you were downvoting our post because you believed the rewards should be lower. I cannot make any difference between 'WORTHLESS' and 'lower'.
Regarding the few account voting our posts, we have around 1 million steem power and use 2 full votes for our posts and about 80% of voting power for Korean community and sometime for some posts that looks good.
I have nothing to say if 2 votes still make you feel bad however we are trying to spread our voting power for as
many people as possible.
If you cannot understand a post because of language barrier, please contact the author first before casting downvotes that make the author feel bad.
You seem like making yourself nice by using a word "retaliation' for others but you are the same. After I downvoted some of your posts in return for downvotes you gave, you guys downvotes our posts as well.
Period.
While no one is immune to wanting to do some retaliation mine was more justified considering the posts I mentioned in my post about this account were copies.
So you're saying you are the same person as the IOST Facebook and blog account I linked to in the iostkr post I wrote? I.e. your translating english posts from IOST onto facebook, the blogsite and here on Steem? If that's the case then there's no problem. To me it seemed like the example I mentioned in my other comment, where someone could have just been copying posts from others without their knowledge and consent.
I agree people shouldn't downvote posts they can't understand and I have not been engaging in that downvote activity myself. In the past @ocd had a team of Korean curators so that we could curate good and original Korean posts. Our downvotes initially were to break off the closed circle voting which doesn't matter much about the quality and effort as it went against the EIP. I'm happy to hear you're spreading your voting power further as that helps Steem and your own Korean community to grow.
Another thing I am against is downvoting posts to 0, the point of the downvotes is to make it less rewarding to self-vote than to curate others, here of course retaliation and emotions of downvotes often comes in the way so I'm hoping that will improve over time. I hope we can have more healthy downvotes and discussions about them in the future, the majority of us using them want what's best for Steem, not to make things personal or split the community up even further.
Thanks for the discussion.