The theft of sweat equity

in #investing5 years ago (edited)

Finland has been going through a housing boom the last years with new areas and housing popping up all over the suburban areas, especially apartments with pokey rooms and no storage space. I have been wondering how and why some of my friends and colleagues have been buying the homes they have, since pretty much all of them have bought new, newish, or newly renovated homes. In Finland, nothing is cheap, especially housing and personally, I wouldn't want to pay for someone else's design choices, nor their sentiment. Today I found out why people buy this way.

They have little choice.

There are two reasons for this:

banks and the government.

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There is apparently a law that says a bank can lend a maximum of 85% of the purchase price of a property with the remaining 15% needed to be fronted by the buyer. That means that for example, a house that is 200,000€ can have a maximum bank loan of 170k on it with 30k fronted. Seems fair?

The devil's in the details. You see, there are essentially no houses that are that cheap which do not require renovation and as the law states, "85% of the purchase price of the property", which means that if it requires work, all of the renovation cost has to come from the buyers.

For example, we were looking at one property that we would have likely got for about 150k, but it would have needed about 130-150k work done to it. The most the bank would be able to provide in a loan would be 125k or so with us fronting 25 for the loan, and the other 170k we would have to have on hand as cash. Ummm.

Do you see the issue yet?

If we bought and renovated the house for say 300k all up, the actual value of the fresh property would be pushing toward 400k, meaning that we would have sweat equity in the home. Not many people have 170k cash on hand for renovations.

What this means is that they are forced to buy something that is move-in-ready and requires very little work, something new or freshly renovated. If buying new, there is essentially nothing that can be done to the property to increase its value other than the normal housing market trends, if buying newly renovated, you are paying for someone else's work and likely not getting what you want anyway.

What this means is that new home buyers and especially the young are essentially forced into buying something out of their price range in order to get something suitable, because they can get a loan for it.

I will explain just in case it isn't clear.

Say my wife and I have 45,000€ cash.

1 - If we buy a 200,000€ house that needs repair, we will have to use 30,000 to secure the loan which will be a max of 170,000, and only have 15,000 to do all renovation work.

2 - For the same 45,000€ cash, we could take a loan of 255,000€ and buy a 300,000€ home that while ready, will not appreciate much in value.

However, in the first house we would able to spend 80,000 on renovation minus the 45k deposit and have a loan of 235,000. But, we would also have a house that is worth closer to 350,000. We sell the first home and we make ~70,000 profit due to the sweat equity put in, we sell the second and we break even.

However, we are in a housing bubble, which means overpriced houses... well the new ones. Because of this loan restriction that doesn't allow for renovation costs, while beautiful old homes sit on the market unsold, brand new homes are getting bought up by those who have no other option as they do not have the cash for the repairs of a fixer-upper home.

This is insane!

Once that bubble pops, there are going to be a lot of people siting in loans that are at their outer limit in homes that are going to significantly lose value as the house of cards falls over due to the foreclosures. However, the renovated homes which will also depreciate will fall much closer to the purchase price plus the renovation costs and only lose the sweat equity component. This means that if an owner has to sell, they can cover their debt.

But, this is definitely a money begets money system as those with the means are able to purchase rundown homes, cover the renovation costs themselves and then flip it to someone who can't afford the renovations themselves so have to take a higher loan. So, someone that can't afford to do the work themselves is forced into taking a higher loan?

This is what I am now dubbing, the theft of sweat equity. Once upon a time (and our current apartment) a person with low funds could buy a cheap place that needed work, take a little extra on the bank loan to cover the cost of renovations, and put their sweat into adding value to the apartment. I did this for my first apartment in Finland which led to a profit 5 years later that allowed my wife and I to do it again in our current place, which we will sell and add more than 50% on the capital that we put in 5 years ago to get the loan.

Rinse and repeat. But, no. We can't do it again because the banks are essentially forcing us to take a larger loan on a place that requires no work, and unless we can come up with a great deal more cash, there is very little we can do... Well. Fuck that.

I am not going to have my ability to add value with my hands be taken away from me and we are going to do everything in our power to make sure that we do not have a large loan and still buy a place that we can appreciate in value through our work. While we were stretched before, this is going to likely take it to a new level, but if we can manage it, we should be sitting relatively well - it just might take longer as the renovations will be done piece by piece - which is not what we wanted.

This law is ludicrous, but now that I know it exists, it is obvious why there is a housing bubble, and obvious why when the recession hits, so many people are going to lose their homes. There is a surplus of housing and as older people with larger homes start to search for serviced apartments (aging population and these are now in shortage), their homes are unpurchasable as no one has the money to renovate them and they can't get a loan for the upgrades.

But, eventually the law will change again as people are pushed out of the new homes they can't afford and into older homes that are falling apart, and the housing market will swing again. Currently, I believe that the best value homes in Finland are the old ones that need work, but the catch is that you need to have the cash and skills to cover the cost of the renovations as the bank by law can't lend it to you.

For my wife and I, we are now contemplating how much risk exposure we are willing to take as in the old houses, there will nearly always be surprises of some kind and we will not have a renovation loan to fix them straight up. But, if we manage to make it through with fingers crossed, we could not only be in a better financial position when the next recession arrives, but we will also have built a home that we love with our own hands.

This is going to take a lot of work and financial discipline. We have a trip already booked for April, which will be our first in 4 years, and likely our last for a while too. But then, it is like any investment, there is an opportunity cost to every action.

However one looks at it though, this law is a pretty brilliant way to ensure sure those without, will never be with, as the law imposes an economic barrier on the ability to use one's own skills.

Clever pricks.

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15% is rather low, in Korea it is 20% and decent apartmemts near seoul are 500,000$ so you need 100k. Also whem your apartment os over 900k you need 50% down which is the price of an apartment in a good area of Seoul.

But, can you take extra for renovations?

the 15% isn't the issue, it is that we can't get a larger loan even if we will add value to it. For example, we could get a loan for 255 if the house is 300 (and we have 45), but can't get a loan for 150 if the house is 100. stupid...

We also cannot do that, but typically apartments don't require major renovations. I'm sure when buying houses in the countryside, those rules go out the window wsince the property prices are generally low.
When I move I usually take a few extra thousand than I need and just pay it back if I don't emd up using it.

When I move I usually take a few extra thousand than I need and just pay it back if I don't emd up using it.

Yep, this used to be possible here, not anymore. Can't even seemingly get a renovation budget using collateral from other owned properties. it is insane. Guessing these houses will be bought up cheap by developers, bulldozed and have shite built on them at premium prices. The developers have the money to wait and buy / after all, they have been selling into a housing bubble.

Edit; half replied to the wrong comment

it was early... :)

I suppose it will be too hard to take out the house loan and then another loan to cover your renos? Not that anyone wants to take out multiple loans like that x_x

If you can put up with the state of the house for a while get an old house that's "nice enough" as it is and work on it over time. It's what we're doing at the moment (way later than I would have liked to start but stuff happens).

Of course the other problem with old houses is you have no idea what problems they might have. Like when we were forced to redo our bathroom in a hurry we found out that the cladding of the house is asbestos (we didn't know that when we bought it and would definitely have told our REA when we were trying to sell :S) and that a lot of the supports were untreated pine so termites had had a field day in there (which is why the bathroom was collapsing), and we're anticipating similar moving forward with further renos (at some stage when we somehow manage to accumulate money, savings really don't last long coz we keep using it for renovating and such).

I don't understand the thing you were talking about with the loans (this is why J manages all the money stuff), seems like housing bubbles are the same everywhere and caused by similar things everywhere :S

I suppose it will be too hard to take out the house loan and then another loan to cover your renos?

We are going to try this by only using the minimum (15%) for the purchase and the little left over as collateral on the reno loan, but according to our bank manager, they won't do it, nor will any other bank by law. There is a slim chance still. If not, we do what we can as I don't want to buy new.

There are definitely risks with buying old and we will have any place checked. There are some laws that do protect buyers here though from some things. There is one issue with potential asbestos in one area, but the rest of the house is clear.

I feel like these places are being forced into early death so they can be bought cheap and developed by those with money, developers and the banks who own them.

You could totally write a conspiracy theory fic about that!

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Spot on. One can only hope, although it will bugger some people, that the bubble pops in the next couple of years to give the likes of you and I a chance to get on the ladder.

Yep. We are trying to get in now and get the famed "double run up" :D
Hopefully we can buy, work our asses off... Steem comes good and then we can buy again when everyone else loses 40% ;D

Good luck!

Hoping I can get involved with that too, or at least the 2nd stage :)

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Yeah i know several people in America who got themselves into the same situation. They also aren’t handy for anything so they’re pretty much out of luck. The system isn’t as bad with the loan restrictions but that doesn’t mean its better. People are once again qualifying for homes they absolutely cannot afford. 2008 all over again! By design, propping up the failing system for sure.

It is ridiculous. Finns in general are pretty handy people and can manage a lot themselves, but it is like they have been handicapped. We are looking for a workaround now.

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Cutest panda bear ever!

She looks good in the old houses :D

That little cutie would look good anywhere.

It's pretty much 20% for a standard loan here, although a Vererans loan is 0% down. That aside, you can get a loan for 80%, but, I have gotten a few different loans at different times for a construction loan which is usually for a very short period of time. 30 days to maybe 6 months. Then that entire loan becomes due and they will roll the loan of that into your regular loan as one. They count your sweat equity, so there is no extra money to put down.

I am guessing there is nothing like that there.

The United States housing bubble was a dark time for people, especially those holding huge mortgages that they really couldn't afford. Couple that with people being laid off and it was an absolute nightmare for people living above their means.

Housing prices peaked in early 2006, started to decline in 2006 and 2007, and reached new lows in 2012. December 2008 was the grimmest. Sadly, I was able to buy several houses at fire-sale prices and rented them and have just started selling them. At first, I wasn't able to buy a foreclosed home out of guilt, but, the bank was selling it anyway, so, I got over it.

On the ones that needed repairs that we couldn't afford? Inch by inch... some took years and it was fun in some ways, but, always rewarding. I wish you the best of luck!

I know you will get exactly what you want unless you can wait for the housing crash. Everything will be more affordable then. I can't believe I even said that. Ugh!

Have a great night!

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I have gotten a few different loans at different times for a construction loan which is usually for a very short period of time. 30 days to maybe 6 months. Then that entire loan becomes due and they will roll the loan of that into your regular loan as one.

This is what was possible here. The last apartments I have had I have done this and have been able to get about 25% gain on the properties each time, which then goes to buying the next. You know, the way it used to be toward full ownership for a growing family kind of thing.

I know a young guy who in 2006/7 bought a very nice but small apartment off the plan for about 900K. before he moved in a year later it was worth 230.

On the ones that needed repairs that we couldn't afford? Inch by inch... some took years and it was fun in some ways, but, always rewarding. I wish you the best of luck!

I am hoping it doesn't kill us with this place (if we get it). :)

Do not feel sorry for Finland. Signed Toronto, Canada.

If our prices were to dip down to Helsinki's levels we'd have to see a 50% drop. Old houses are often worth more because they are bigger and have some land. You need something like 12x the average family income to buy an average-sized family home. Absolute dumps 30 minutes plus from the city centre are selling for over well over 500,000 Euros.

Yep, Helsinki doesn't have the highest housing prices, but factor in earnings (about 30% lower than Toronto) and the cost of living and taxes (income up to 50%, goods/services 24%) and it gets expensive fast. I don't think it ends up being so different across the board.

Toronto really is completely unaffordable to the locals. Same as Vancouver, there probably is speculative money involved.

Canada has somewhat lower taxes than Finland but not much. Canadians tend to have larger student loans to service as first-time homebuyers because in Finland all higher education is 100% subsidized and the students get an allowance of several hundred euros per month, so when you pay your higher taxes, you aren't paying for nothing.

By the looks of things, the highest tax rate in Canada is 25%?

In the highest bracket, the combined federal and provincial earned income taxes are 53% according to this site:

http://www.mondaq.com/canada/x/642398/Income+Tax/How+Fair+Is+Progressive+Taxation

In Finland, the highest earned income tax rate is 56.4% at €1,000,000 according to this calculator:

https://www.veronmaksajat.fi/luvut/Laskurit/palkansaajan-tuloverolaskuri-2020/

It seems that the income tax rates in Canada and Finland are very similar.

Is daycare subsidised in Canada? The real cost of day care at day care center is about €1000 per child per month in Finland and probably in Canada, too. The highest means-tested fee you pay in Finland is less than €300 per child per month. That applies for municipal and private day care. That's a really massive subsidy right there. For a family with two children, that amounts to about €1,400 per month.

Vancouver is a nightmare, too. Speculative Chinese money keeping local young people out of the market.

The rest of Canada (Toronto excluded) is fine. Edmonton, for example, has no housing bubble to speak of. The metropolitan areas of Edmonton and Helsinki are pretty much the same size. I just took a cursory look at the house prices and they weren't too far off.

Stockholm and Copenhagen are much, much worse than Helsinki. Oslo is in a another league because of all the oil money slushing around. Tampere, the second largest city in Finland, is nowhere near as expensive as Helsinki itself.

A lot of people buy new because a lot of people are moving into the largest cities where the old housing stock is inadequate for all the newcomers. If, OTOH, you're moving into some smaller locality somewhere remote, you can find older properties very cheaply.

Not so sure, there are plenty of places around here that with a reno will be lovely. Problem is, need the cash upfront for the reno.

If the population of a city is growing 1-2% per year, there will have to be a lot of newbuilds.

But I agree, it should be easier to get reno loans if you can provide a credible plan for the project.

There are a few rintamiestalo that need full renovations but are on prime land, price keeps dropping...

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