Universal Wasting Income?

in #informationwar5 years ago

Although economic and technological developments indicate that we will need something like a universal basic income, or a redistribution of available labor, maybe shorten the workweek to 10 or 15 hours, there are still problems with this solution.


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In the 1950s many scholars, economists and sociologists predicted that we would have a 15 hour workweek somewhere in the 2020s; they predicted that the modern world as a whole would become richer and richer, while simultaneously the number of jobs, the amount of labor needed to produce all that wealth, would decrease. They were right about the riches, but wrong about the workweek as we've stubbornly hung on to the industrial capitalist model that started our way upward. And for a while things were moving in the right direction; in the 1960s and early 1970s workweeks did get shorter and pension-ages did get lower.

But instead of using the increased riches and the surpluses produced to further go on the slow path to a better world for everyone, we've since the 1980s gone back to the notion that riches belong to individuals only, and that only individuals can earn those riches. So the past four decades we've seen workweeks expand, we've seen women and students join the workforce, because one job per family isn't enough; not wanting to sound like a defender of "the patriarchy" I think it's fair to say that this has had a strong influence on the breaking up of the unity that the family once was. The riches have landed in the pockets of a few, and in order to keep alive the model that has worked so well for them, the inventing of ever more jobs began.

I can't remember the exact numbers, and I don't have the time to look it up right now, but when asked, a large percentage of employees indicate that they don't believe they're doing anything really productive. They believe the world would keep functioning just fine if their job didn't exist. In New York, in the 1960s and in other cities around the world, governments had to practically declare a state of emergency when the garbage collectors went on strike for one week. We, the society as a whole, can not function without them. Would society be hurt as much when all investment bankers, their army of lawyers, their assistants and math-geniuses that develop their trading algorithms, go on strike for a decade? I dare to doubt that.

But even the garbage collector will someday be unnecessary, when homes are built on top of a complex underground tube-system that collects and separates all waste by it's automated self. Setting all other shortcomings of our current socio-economic model aside, the realization of an old dream of shorter workweeks and less human labor is one of the main drives behind the idea of a universal basic income. On this basic level there seems little wrong with the idea of just granting everyone acces to all basic needs, it just logically follows from the fact that there's more than enough of everything to provide for every human life. Still, there's something else to consider here; there's a hidden trap in UBI.

Now, I won't write it all down here, as the short video below explains it better than I could myself. Implementing a UBI in the capitalist model of maximum extraction would potentially only keep the status quo alive and re-affirm us in the role of mere consumers. Watch the video, it's only 5 minutes short:


The colossal problem with universal basic income | Douglas Rushkoff


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This is the side I usually defend, and I still do. Rutger has great points, especially the real experiments that show most fears about "just giving everyone money" are irrational.

Thanks for this great addition @tychoxi 😊

we have been taught (most of us) to believe that we should become "productive members of society", and that can only be achieved through higher learning and a paying occupation. our society needs to unlearn this, that we can only be worthy citizens if we earn money so we can consume.

we also need to relearn what constitutes a job.

mother can be a job as much as engineer or street cleaner. friend, coach, gardener, cook, child minder, home owner? they are all jobs we dont get paid for. what if "citizen" was a job? making sure the government was being honest?

if people were assured of basic needs (clean water, healthy food, shelter), then anything beyond that would be at will employment for things beyond necessities. imho we would also need to add in other things to basic needs considering todays world; access to affordable internet, education, sanitation, energy and transportation.

I often wonder how many women (and men) would choose to marry and have kids if they could be independent on their own. if we actually paid people who chose to become stay at home parents, if we gave dignity to people like teachers and elder-care providers by paying them what they deserved. if we got rid of the distinctions between the classes monetarily.

if there was no financial perks to become president, would we then get an honest one?

if people were assured of basic needs (clean water, healthy food, shelter), then anything beyond that would be at will employment for things beyond necessities. imho we would also need to add in other things to basic needs considering todays world; access to affordable internet, education, sanitation, energy and transportation.

This is so true. This is in my opinion the main reason for implementing a system in which ALL basic needs are provided for; what would we do, think of, create and invent when we do the thing we do for all reasons BUT survival? We now work because we (think we) have to, what would happen if we only did the things we love doing..? I believe it will make us want to do more, not less.

We are in 100% agreement here @torico. But the danger shown in the video is real I think; we're still trapped in the 'scarcity mindset', we still identify ourselves by our possessions, we're still thought to be greedy and take care of "number one" first and foremost.

if there was no financial perks to become president, would we then get an honest one?

That's a very good question to which I don't know the answer. I think it's "yes" when we're all made equally responsible for all we produce and consume. When we're made to FEEL that the affluence is produced by the efforts of everyone, including the mothers, fathers and friends...

Most jobs are just illusion and don't bring real value. I had someone on my vacations waiting to collect money for the toilet in Italy!

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That's the question: what's really valuable? I'd say the toilet lady is more valuable than any investment banker 😊

That for sure, at least if you can have a beautiful smile. :)

UBI is shrouded in nuance and nay-sayers, but when really investigated one finds it could provide some interesting solutions to problems Americans have emotionally and economically. I just watched the Joe Rogan podcast with Andrew Wang (a UBI-advocate, presidential candidate) the other day - it’s long, but really really intriguing. I would recommend it as you obviously have interest in the subject!

Thanks so much for that @k0wsk1! I'll look that up for sure 😊

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