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RE: Food for thought: The common household ingredient that scientists claim is WORSE for you than sugar.

in #informationwar6 years ago (edited)

All oil is bad. Soy does not feminize. It has phytoestrogen (weak estrogen) you know what else has phytoestrogens. Apples, carrots, coffee, beer, bourbon whiskey, oats, barley, flaxseed, beans, mint, yams, etc.

You know what has a lot of mammalian estrogen (like our estrogen) animal products, especially dairy.

Studies show that soy doesn't increase estrogen in males nor lowers testosterone. In fact in one soy study the men's estradiol (male estrogen) was lowered by 3%.

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For every study that says soy doesn't effect hormones I can find one that says it does. So who is right?

My bet is on natural foods. Soy has only been in our diets since the 1950s.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/soybean-fertility-hormone-isoflavones-genistein/

In regards to how long we've been eating soy, you only need look to China and Japan who have been growing and can maiming soy for more than thousand years now.

It wasn't a big part of their diet a few thousand years ago. More like a spice than an actually food it might of even been grown as fertilizer for actual food crops.

Native to north-east China (Manchuria), the soybean (Glycine max) was cultivated some 3,000 years ago, The plant’s wild precursor was a recumbent vine, G. max var. ussuriensis. During the early centuries of domestication, the soybean was nothing like as important in the Chinese diet as it is today. In fact it may well have been far more useful as a fertiliser than as a food - ploughed back into the soil to enriching it for other crops such as wheat or millet. The soy plant is fortunate to be a member of a family of plants that has the ability to draw nitrogen from the air impart it into the soil through its roots thus enriching poor soils. Soybean plants may also have been rotated with other crops, for this same purpose.

http://eatingchina.com/articles/soystory.htm

Did you only read that paragraph? That was 3000 years ago. It took time but they shaped it into a nutritious and healthy bean. And have been eating it for at least a thousand years. Japan 1500 years.

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https://www.fertstert.org/article/S0015-0282(10)00368-7/abstract?code=fns-site

How about the logical fallacy of being concerned about weak plant estrogen when meat and dairy contain 2-3 times the amount of mammalian estrogen.

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Not to mention the animal waste from farms ends up putting estrogen hormone disrupters into our water systems

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Factor in xenoestrogens from food packages, bottles, containers. Medications such as birth control pills is peed out and goes into our water, atrazine and other fertilizers in the water.

There's many many things that play a role but it ain't soybeans, especially when you consider all the other plant foods that contain phytoestrogen and nobody is freaking out about them. Probably because they don't pose as much of a threat to the meat and dairy and egg lobbies huh?

Now for a bit of anecdotal evidence: I eat 2 - 4 servings of organic/non-gmo soy a day for about year now. I did this because A. I did my research on soy and discovered that there were a lot of fear-mongering and myths being spread by these lobby groups. B. I wanted to prove it for myself and it hasn't changed anything about me. My body is the same and fertility and all that is good to go. Dude, soy is a superfood, 2x the protein than that of pork, calcium, iron, fiber. Low cholesterol and super versatile. So fuck yeah soy! lol.

Not sure what these so called 'soy boys' actually eat, but I really doubt that much of it is soy and any soy they might consume would likely be the non-organic, gmo processed ingredient in junk food. but still non a threat for estrogen. It's likely a combination of the other estrogen sources I mentioned plus the brainwashing from television and the indoctrination from the school system.

I'm not really buying your argument here that meat is worse than soy. I did a simple google search of estrogen in meat vs soy and found these charts.

Phytoestrogen is not like mammalian estrogen. Animal products contain both much less phytoestrogen and lots of mammalian estrogen .

That bottom chart is misleading. They are measuring two completely different types of things there.

Aren't 'simple' Google great?

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1442-200X.2009.02890.x

You also say soy beans are nothing to worry about when it comes to Phytoestrogen.

There's many many things that play a role but it ain't soybeans, especially when you consider all the other plant foods that contain phytoestrogen

The charts show soy is very high in Phytoestrogen.

This study says Phytoestrogen lowers sperm count.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/news-blog/soy-vey-does-eating-tofu-lower-sper-2008-07-23/

Not the best study since it's only 99 men but better than the 18 people in your study :)

Soy sure does seem like it has a bunch of problems/controversy around it compared to other vegetables.

Like I said before for every study you find claiming it's good I can find one claiming it's bad. So it's debatable who's right.

Who knows we both could be right.

Most modern soy food from soy milk to soy burgers are processed, which means they contain natural toxins called “antinutrients”. Learn what these antinutrients can do to your health and how much danger they pose. Learn why traditional, fermented soy disposes of these natural toxins to make for “healthy soy”.

https://www.mercola.com/Downloads/bonus/dangers-of-soy/report.aspx

Yes soy is second only to flaxseed for phytoestrogen which is a weak plant estrogen. It's like comparing tier B to the tier A estrogens from mammals. Doesn't make any sense to me.

So you stayed with scientific American and just clicked over from your last article to a tiny blurb about a study but the link only sends me to a blank PDF

Yes, there is definitely a lot of that, but you only have to look into who funding the study. The meat/dairy/egg lobbies have to smear soy the most because of the competition it offers. They are fine with it as their animal feed and as a cheap ingredient in processed foods only.

But, like I said, to prove it to myself I eat between 2-4 servings of soy a day for 1 year now. Nothing has changed, like zip, zero, zilch. I'm obviously not going to fuck myself up, if I notice something odd, I will definitely let everyone know. You can hold me to that.

I wrote a piece early on in my steemit adventure about antinutrients misconception.

https://steemit.com/heath/@venomnymous/the-antinutrient-misconception
I packed a lot of studies in that piece.

I wouldn't put any trust in mercola, he shills a lot and pushed a lot of bullshit and misinformation in that article.

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