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RE: Photo contest: post processing #18 -- work on the task "subject" photography
Me for my own part would have adored your picture #3 (counted from top) if this would show more of the shadow and less of the khomus.
I had such a mallet fiddle in mind while I took this photo:
I understand you and support your opinion, but now we have a specific task: to take photos in the SUBJECT genre. And this genre does not imply artistry of performance, but a comprehensive disclosure of the features of the object: form, material, purpose. The version of the photo you have proposed does not say anything specific about the subject, but there is a lot of your attitude to it and it is very well suited for another genre.
You are speaking of my contribution to the "party" and of the picture from the "sun"?
Thanks for reading and thinking!
Where did you get your "definition" of subject photography from?
The source I used reads not like this: "comprehensive disclosure of the features of the object: form, material, purpose".
Therefore I think your definition is more narrow, as I already noticed in another comment (pointing out that subject photography is far more than object photography). And although it "does not imply artistry of performance", it does on the other hand not exclude this perspective.
By the way, if I'm wrong and therefore have missed the broadly accepted definition (if so), then I will withdraw my contribution and excuse me for my mistake.
I meant only the photo that you showed here in your comment. It is undoubtedly artistic, and very interesting in execution, but it does not give an idea of the subject. She is only mysterious and beautiful. This is a photo of philosophy and mood :).
Your contest post contains material suitable for the task. There's a photo of a lamp in the interior. Why shouldn't she be like that? Everything is fine there. I look at it and have a good idea of how this same lamp will work in my environment.
Aaaahh!
Many thanks for clearing!
;-))
That is very right!
That is very nice, and as I appreciate your professional opinion, I'm very glad!
there is a clear explanation of the SUBJECT photo at this link, but it is in Russian. I can make a translation for you if something is unclear after your transliteration.
https://leonastage.ru/fotozhurnal/predmetnaya-fotografiya/
I wouldn't "teach" anyone if I didn't understand this topic. I am a designer who also works in advertising, and this is the kind of photo I have to deal with. I don't make them myself, but I choose and use the material for the design of the accompanying material.
Thanks for this also - in the link I find 2 photos which I've already seen in a comment from you to bambooka (while I was to lazy to let translate your words - so it is my "punishment" not to be enlightened).
I'll try to manage the translation - and I thank your for your offer to help me if necessary.
;-))
It will be difficult to handle the translation of what I wrote @bambuka. I wrote there in the wrong style, but it is understandable to him, and your translator will translate so that you will laugh, but you will not be able to understand much. :)
"CC" @bambuka:
The Google translator in my Chrome browser can display LeonaStage's page well and translate it smoothly (except for the font within an image, of course).
This confirms what I had already suspected after a brief search for the keyword "Subject Photography": In German and in English (Wikipedia, for example) the term is used differently compared to your definition! The Google translator renders "Предметная" = "Subject" from the Russian LeonaStage page as "motif" or "product". This also explains to me the claim that this is a new genre since about the year 2000 (in connection with online marketing). By the way, I don't believe this claim, because in mail order catalogues this has been happening since about 1950.
In English Wikipedia, there is no genre called "subject photography". Instead, one can find interesting descriptions of "subject" versus "object" in photography on the internet.
Briefly summarised:
We are dealing with a linguistic problem in translation. So what Bambuka meant by "предметная" is probably not at all what I had understood according to his English translated text!
Hence the product-related contributions from all those who understand Russian...
Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
Der Google-Übersetzer in meinem Chrome-Browser kann die Seite von LeonaStage gut darstellen und flüssig übersetzen (außer natürlich die Schrift innerhalb eines Bildes).
Dabei bestätigt sich, was ich schon vermutet hatte nach einer kurzen Recherche nach dem Schlagwort "Subject Photography": Im Deutschen und im Englischen (Wikipedia zum Beispiel) wird der Begriff anders verwendet! Der Google-Übersetzer gibt "Предметная" = "Subject" aus der russischen LeonaStage-Seite wieder mit "Motiv" oder "Produkt". Das erklärt mir auch die Behauptung, dass das ein neues Genre sei seit etwa dem Jahr 2000 (im Zusammenhang mit Online-Vermarktung). Übrigens glaube ich diese Behauptung nicht, denn in Katalogen für den Versandhandel findet das schon seit etwa 1950 statt.
Im englischen Wikipedia gibt es kein Genre mit dem Namen "subject photography". Man kann stattdessen im Internet interessante Beschreibungen finden von "subject" versus "object" in der Fotografie.
Kurz zusammengefasst:
Wir haben es hier mit einem sprachlichen Problem bei der Übersetzung zu tun. Was Bambuka mit "предметная" meinte, ist also wahrscheinlich gar nicht das, was ich nach seinem englisch übersetzten Text verstanden hatte!
Daher auch die auf Produkte bezogenen Beiträge von all denen, die Russisch verstehen...
It seems to me that @bambuk meant "still life" in general, but he just expressed his thoughts the wrong way, using the wrong word from his very rich language, where almost every word has several meanings. That's what I started talking about there, to find out exactly what he meant. The connection of the "subject" genre with the "minimalist" style seemed paradoxical to me.
When formulating tasks for the competition, you need to try to be very precise, taking into account all the problems of translation and the degree of preparation of participants. That's what we faced, that only a few of them understood the task correctly.
Merchants from online stores simply privatized this genre for themselves and this is wrong))
I can assume that photographing everyday objects in documentary photography can also be attributed to the subject genre.
Here is a good example of such a photo
The search gave us the same sites))
What I meant by giving out the task, I outlined [here] (https://steemit.com/hive-185836/@bambuka/photo-contest-post-processing-18-by-bambuka )
Advertisers and merchants famously privatized a whole genre for themselves. The search gives only a commercial interpretation. Yes, from the point of view of the modern approach, a subject photo is now a photo of a "product", even catalog photography is not mentioned by many gurus. But after all, still life in its essence can be attributed to subject shooting. Individual elements of architecture can also be considered as separate objects.
I understand you as a professional who adheres to the established canons. But some rules exist in order to break them :)
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Поиск выдавал нам одни и те же сайты))
Что я имел в виду выдавая задание, я изложил здесь
Рекламщики и торгаши лихо приватизировали себе целый жанр. Поиск выдаёт только коммерческую трактовку. Да, с точки зрения современного подхода предметное фото сейчас это фото "товара", даже каталожная съёмка многими гуру не упоминается. Но ведь и натюрморт по своей сути можно отнести к предметной съёмке. Отдельные элементы архитектуры тоже можно рассматривать как отдельные объекты.
Я понимаю тебя как профессионала, который придерживается сложившихся канонов. Но некоторые правила для того и существуют, чтобы их нарушать :)
я не могу с тобой согласиться даже на один процент, если ты охарктеризовал своё задание, как следование определённому жанру. Не умножай путаницу и просто подумай о том, что все эти дни говорится. Потрет тоже можно преподнести как фото еды, если модель покрыть сбитыми сливками и посыпать тёртым шоколадом...
Правила любят нарушать те, кто в них не разбирается, но никому не запрещено создать свой собственный жанр со своими правилами и продвигать его, если это проще, чем следовать тому, что уже создано.
Удачи! Меня уже начинают напрягать эти бессмысленные разговоры.
если людоед, то шоколад может всё испортить :)))
Таки начал думать... :)