This is what a top HIVE witness does: self comment+voting and downvote-retaliation

in SCT.암호화폐.Crypto9 days ago (edited)

Until today, I had no interaction (comment, upvote, or downvote) with @gtg, former top witness of STEEM and now top witness of HIVE.

Not very surprising, as gtg has been a top witness with significant steem power but I was nobody - who occasionally writes in a non-English language and plays games like steemmonsters - who did not have much steem power.


This morning, my Steem neighbor told me that he saw a previous top witness shamelessly milking rewards. So I followed his link and saw this:



  • by the way, I do not know how to set 100% SBD option - isn't it either 50% SBD/50% SP or 100% SP?

I checked what these were:



Yes, he was making lots of spam comments and self-voting on his first posting Hello, World! dated Jul 3, 2016.


I was disappointed. I know that he was not happy regarding the current situation of Steem and decided to move to HIVE - and then why is he doing such disgraceful things here instead of improving HIVE?

So I decided to downvote them, even though my stakes are not big so my downvotes only cost like 0.14 STU, as a sign of disappointment.

  • I am pretty sure that most people agree that this crap should not be worth more than $3 rewards.




When I got back home after a few hours, I found that gtg decided to retaliate, and downvoted me three times.



When HIVE first started, since I was one of the "blacklisted" users who did not get HIVE airdrop, I did not login for a while. But later some of Steem neighbors encouraged me to use HIVE at least several time to test, I wrote two short postings after claiming previous rewards (otherwise I didn't have enough RC as my HP is zero).

And I guess I should stop trying HIVE, as now the top witness with more than 472K power decides to downvote me, which made my posting rewards zero. I am okay with them going to zero per se, but I feel bad about my neighbors who voted me to make me feel better using HIVE, as their efforts are in vain.

  • gtg's HP:



  • My posting now shows zero reward "thanks to" gtg's downvote:



  • All my HIVE postings (only two, fortunately) went to zero.




In retrospect, now I understand why the neighbor who reported gtg's shameful spam+self vote milking did NOT downvote it while he thought it was despicable.

He expected potential retaliation - downvotes - and didn't want that.

It reminded me of the past - I didn't (in fact I couldn't) downvote some crap as I feared that I would get downvoted as retaliation.

And even when I get downvoted sometimes for ridiculous reasons like "not English" or "no thumbnail", I chose not to fight back as the counterparty had too much steem power compared to what I have.

Yes, I admit that I was a coward who just waited these downvote bullies to find another victim.


At least, from now on, I will try not to be silent and do what I believe to be correct.

  • Even though I lost a lot (in terms of the current token price) more by getting downvotes from a whale, I do not regret my action.

  • Update: @steemit, while I appreciate that your vote would put this posting on trending so that many users may have a chance to read this, I believe that the posting reward would be too much - so please remove the upvote before the payout.
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It pains me to see how many Steemians switching to Hive are still trying to get as many rewards out of the system as possible.

Downvoted to compensate for the mega upvote of Steemit.

I agree with the both parts. Hope both (HIVE milking on STEEM, steemit votes) would stop soon...

I hope so too since it's not really helping either Hive or Steem.

But it looks like they wanted to prove that Hive is alive & Steem is dead which I think is unnecessary.

Hive & Steem are relatively young blockchains, I don't see the point in telling which one is better & which one is not. While many other blockchains are progressing much faster than Hive & Steem, we are still here arguing among each other on who is right & who's wrong...

Any attack with each other should stop soon... I'm really hoping... It's not really healthy for both chains

Hi there

I've been reading through many comments related to new hive chain and I've seen your comment too. Many users are being torn, however majority seem to be moving to new hive.

Are you fully moving there or will you stay on both chains? Just curious. I'm trying to figure out what to do myself.

If you are a smart person, you will stay at Steemit.

Hive won't last. The reason it was developed is just the wrong incentive to make it work.

The attitude is also wrong. I am hardly ever here and have a no value account. Still it attracts downvotes from @neoxian one of the "hive witnesses" and former or maybe still Steemit witness on every post comment.

For what? Wrong topic, copy pasted content, anything else that is against the rules? Nope, just because he can. Or maybe it is just because he doesn't want people to express they are not hive minded. I guess we all need a hobby.

coffeea Lucky you @twinner here is your COFFEEA, view all your tokens at steem-engine.com Vote for c0ff33a as Witness

yap, also a bunch of D_A-CH users fighting for "justice" with injustice.

https://steempeak.com/c/hive-149967/created

Abusing the reward pool knowing there are still people who actually put effort into creating content is just disgusting. Human greed is something I will never understand and never tolerate..

Crazyness around us. May the Corona damage more the mind than the lungs??
Intersting to see steemit-account voting. Gorgeous impact with 30 millions of power.
Now I know more than ever why I don't press the downvote button. This can be very dangerous.
For the future I hope that fairness wiull come back to all whales.

!invest_vote

@freiheit50 denkt du hast ein Vote durch @investinthefutur verdient! ----> Wer ist investinthefutur ?
@freiheit50 thinks you have earned a vote of @investinthefutur !----> Who is investinthefutur ?

Careful, this post breaks the Steemit TOS. You might get yourself censored.

Hi there

I've been reading through many comments related to new hive chain and I've seen your comment too. Many users are being torn, however majority seem to be moving to new hive.

Are you fully moving there or will you stay on both chains? Just curious. I'm trying to figure out what to do myself.

You can see my last post on Steem to find the answer to that. I'm still here to comment and point out the absurdity and pointlessness of a centralized blockchain controlled by a 30 year old child.

Big Thx for your reply. I think i will stick around on both chains for time being.

I also figured that you may find this post interesting and worth your time:
https://steemit.com/hive-175254/@project.hope/project-hope-curation-trail-on-both-chains-steem-and-new-hive

It's post published by good friend of mine and I'm helping him to promote their curation trail.

Oh the irony, a post complaining about someone taking away from the reward pool takes 15x as much away from the reward pool.

Don't worry @glory7, Justin Sun made sure your post didn't get too high by pinning the top 6 posts then hiding the indication that they were pinned! Unfortunately today he removed the code hiding his upvotes that he had put in place several days ago.

In the future, Justin Sun has said downvoting will be removed so you don't have to worry about downvoting @gtg or him downvoting you. Sun also suggested that the powerdown time be decreased which would help all the Hivers to leave faster. Solutions are on the way.

If development on Steemit is a little slow rn, it's just because the devs have to keep their list of 123 censored posts growing. They're also trying to figure out why Steemit is crashing so often. Be patient, 3 day powerdowns will be here soon. That way @steemit can powerdown after voting your post, then powerup to a second account and vote it again!

You're worried about a few STEEM holders who are protesting or shit posting to recoup some of their investment in STEEM?

After years of listening to the Korean, Chinese and other communities @spaminator has left STEEM. One argument that has been made over and over - centralized downvoting should not be allowed to stop comment farming and shit posting to recoup or grow investments.

@virus707 who is a member of @triple.aaa witness supported and upvoted a number of farms a few years ago. They may still. I don't actively hunt farms anymore.

You should be more worried about what you don't see. The last post from @steemitblog promises to streamline on-boarding and bring millions of users to STEEM.

$1/mo will rent a VPN that can control a massive number of accounts. About 6500 accounts with 15SP will get you almost $5 a day right now I think.

Steemit will focus on improving our product to compete with Reddit

A decentralized reddit?

The new trending?
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Not hard to see massive farms hiding under all that whether it is accounts using the STEEM faucet or those that buy into STEEM. It's still bad for the community in the long run IMO.

You're worried about a few STEEM holders who are protesting or shit posting to recoup some of their investment in STEEM?

You're an astute personality on here, Patrice and I've always respected you. Please don't support such behaviour. The fact that he went way back to his old posts to spam is a clear indication that he didn't want people to find out.

@gtg, this is such a bad example. Just because you're leaving a chain doesn't mean you should spam it. You know you could just as easily remain on here as well.

Getting that @steemit upvote, much better.

Downvoted for disagreement on rewards. Full up/downvoting with @steemit stake is just laughable, I never thought I would see Steemit, Inc.'s stake pledged for development into a rewards-pool-destroying propaganda machine.

That said, hard-forking the chain was not something most people wanted to happen. It became obvious that negotiations between diametrically opposed parties would be difficult to impossible. Part of what led to the split being inevitable is demanding that downvotes be removed from STEEM. If you want that, (which I'm not sure you do) get ready to see much, MUCH worse "milking" than 4 STU comments. The whole platform will just degrade into milking, plaigirism and spam. In fact, it's already happening now that Spaminator and other blacklists are being turned off.

Remember that people have spent years building on Steem and they are not unreservedly happy about the turn of events. Many are still processing what Justin has and is turning Steem into and aren't ready to let go of being on both chains. There will also be old users coming back from hiatus and not having heard about anything. It's only fair that they get a chance to know about another option they can use. In short, expect to hear a lot about Hive on Steem (potentially forever) but definitely for the next 12 weeks while powerdowns hit.

Also, with a lot of the talk about "angry/rude/spam behavior of Hive users" remember it's always a small minority that has the biggest mouth. Most people are fine with just moving on but there's nothing wrong with a continuing discussion, either.

Most don't have a clue or don't care. It's easier now than ever to get 'seed' capital to start farming from dapps and projects that upvote anything or anyone. A few thousand accounts, some nickel and dime upvotes, and you have the beginnings of the next @dart utilizing 20% - 30% of daily transactions.

Steemit Incs promise to streamline and onboard 15 million new users quickly throws up some red flags for me. I checked today and they still allow phone verification from google voice numbers. While not significant by itself, there are services that provide temporary virtual numbers by the thousands cheap.

The current block log file is about 250GB? This type of farming has a cost beyond the reward pool drain. At one time @dart was responsible for more than 25% of the votes daily on steemit. These groups ran their own automated bots for posting & voting. They have the skills to pretty much spam unchecked without removing the incentive to do so.

I wonder where @dart is now, and if he's heard Spaminator lost its delegation? Steem might not have the longest chain but it still could claim to have the biggest.

Wouldn't be hard to create another 30,000+ accounts. 🤑

When someone invests in Steem, then the HIVE chain is created - certain investors who have a different opinion do not get the HIVE Coin - Who guarantees the security on the HIVE chain if they have not given me and many HIVE coin?

gtg is such a good guy he is developing hive and at the same time helping steem. He's only helping you understand why downvotes are needed or did you forgot that removing downvotes is one of the changes lord justin wants to implement? 😵

So, we're okay that a top witness on hive is doing this, just to prove a point?
That's hypocrisy

Not necessarily. I guess he has a reason to do it but I'm not endorsing it. I just found it funny people strongly agains downvotes... downvoting like crazy.

It clear as day. He did what he did and lied about it. but all the data are there.
Ignoring the elephant in the room, are we?

Sorry I'm not aware of the whole thing. Who lied about what?

Take a look at this. Head back 2 days ago and you'll find that he's unvoting and deleting a lot of comments.

https://steemd.com/@gtg

Really?! I expected something new and juicy revelations about the "lies"
Read @gtg 's comment 2 days ago. It's all there. Take care

This is to be expected as they just want to burn down Steemit including those community members who want to stay in the platform. They waste their time and effort to troll and spam. No worries I know Justin, the new developers of steem and new witnesses will be stepping up and will counter these shameless acts of bigotry, hatred, and racism.

What they are doing now is exactly why Steem for the past few years, has remained stagnant and never got the mainstream adoption that it should have done years ago. Their arrogance and sense of entitlement just make me puke.

I was actually happy that a real big investor was interested in steem but what did these geniuses do? Lock up his stake and are not willing to give any concessions not unless they are guaranteed control of the platform. So what is the end result losing Steem blockchain to Justin Sun. They did not even last a month fighting for Steem.

They are talking about decentralization and being censorship-resistant but most of us low powered steemians are afraid of being downvoted by whales that act like kings of the platform? Now they are cry babies because they get a dose of their own medicine. They are after all just spamming the Steemit network. When they were doing it they say they are just protecting the high-quality content of steem and now its censorship the Hypocrisy is just outstanding!

Now steemit users are being targeted just because they don't agree them or they keep on using steemit.

So why are they acting that way because someone stopped their whale circle-jerking party and they want to rape the rewards pool as much as they could.

I still don't understand why they stick around and try to destroy STEEM while milking rewards.

If they hate STEEM so much, why don't they simply focus on building HIVE, which is their "heaven"?


Hope to see you around. Thank you for the reply!

Exactly!


I feel that his unpleasant actions here in Steem is counterproductive to what Hive means for him. If he is trying to prove that Hive is what Steem should be / should have been then he should put his time & effort in developing Hive and let time to tell whether Hive is right or Steem is wrong.

I do hope that the new devs & witnesses should act asap before this get serious... and put steem & the community in trouble.

I agree with this. Actions should be taken soon.

It is ridiculous seeing gandalf spamming steemit. I just believe if we want to be on one chain, then let's develop the chain and if we are going to stay on both chains then we should not spam one for another.

Fear of being hunted because of no power, is one fear with the witness has put into people.

I wish him the best. But he doesn't have to spam to earn rewards. You could chat him up to know why he is do this.

Witnesses also a human with their own greed.. Even tough they say they do it for the community but hey.. A human still a human right? Should we fear #justinsunsteemit or the old witnesses? Most of the old witnesses are spammimg on steemit currently. To them spamming is ok for them.. But if we aka small players will get a hammer from them if doing something wrong like fighting back.. We got downvotes for free.. 😂

Speaking of the devil they will used their knowledge to spam peoples like this usefull message to evryone..😂

I wonder how they can defend this f***ing spamming. Ridiculous at best.

Actions speak louder than words. Shame on those former witnesses.

Very true. I still don't understand why he has done this - he could have done something else to get the rewards if he would have liked to do so.

곰돌이가 @menerva님의 소중한 댓글에 시세변동을 감안하여 $0.001을 보팅해서 $0.041을 지켜드리고 가요. 곰돌이가 지금까지 총 7764번 $105.738을 보팅해서 $105.259을 구했습니다. @gomdory 곰도뤼~

It may be dumb that he's doing it, but maybe he's showing users what you will now be facing all over the place. And yes you should probably downvote him. I'm guessing he wouldn't mind and would be proud of you guys for doing it.

Maybe he's thinking how long are these steem users going to allow me to do this? Why aren't they downvoting yet?

So why aren't you? Do it, get others to do it. All those protections to the Steem reward pool for years have been by some of these guys. Now they're gone. Take it into your own hands now.

I'd suggest a post in Korean.

Many of the users will not downvote it is now the responsibility of Steemit inc or the new witnesses to protect Steem blockchain. Through their (hive spammers) actions, it is quite obvious that they don't respect other's decisions and they want to bully users and destroy the home that they benefitted from for many years. They call out Justin for censorship but they don't call out the bigots, haters and racist in their own ranks. Some even wishing Justin to be killed.

I wrote a post in Korean too.

And I guess this example showed what happened before Ned left... no progress at all.

Don't support such behaviour. The fact that he went way back to his old posts to spam is a clear indication that he didn't want people to find out.

@gtg, this is such a bad example. Just because you're leaving a chain doesn't mean you should spam it. You know you could just as easily remain on here as well.

자꾸만 실망스러운 행동을 하는군요. 평소 본인이 주장하던대로 행동을 했으면 합니다. 한줄짜리 댓글이 그만큼 보팅받을 가치가 있는지 스스로 생각을 해보았으면 합니다.

곰돌이가 @tradingideas님의 소중한 댓글에 시세변동을 감안하여 $0.006을 보팅해서 $0.036을 지켜드리고 가요. 곰돌이가 지금까지 총 7763번 $105.737을 보팅해서 $105.218을 구했습니다. @gomdory 곰도뤼~

That's why I stopped using steemit after just a few months. Individuals in the top 5-10 have been gaming the system for years. Things have changed for the better in my opinion.

They should worry about the new project and stop begging for @steemit audience to switch. smh.

I hope that this big event (HIVE fork out) would help STEEM get better, at least better than what it was used to be before Justin came.

Hello, Glory, how can i find you on Discord?

glory7#2043. I do not check discord often but I will get back to you later if you leave dm.

I have two words for his actions:

surprised

&

sad

저런것들이 증인이라니...
하이브 가서도 똑같겠지~~

하이브 가서 어떻게 하는지 궁금하긴 한데, 귀찮아서 못가보겠네요.

Do you still support @steemit after they have censored their API nodes so you can't even view censored posts on SteemPeak?

hello fighting with each other is not a good. please stop this fight now because we both have separate chain And it is the best solution that we got.

어휴... 찌질한 새끼들

그러게 말입니다...

HIVE Could Face a Massive Class Action Lawsuit for Intellectual Property Theft

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A group of rogue members of the Steem blockchain community have unilaterally copied the intellectual property of millions of content creators without even the slightest decency to even attempt to seek their consent...

Now go flag yourself

Hahaha You feel the pain, so hdhdhdh
Very funny
You can take what you deserve.

When someone invests in Steem, then the HIVE chain is created - certain investors who have a different opinion do not get the HIVE Coin - Who guarantees the security on the HIVE chain if they have not given me and many HIVE coin?

아흐. 아름다운 세상이군요. 예전에 활동하셨던 똑똑한 컴퓨터님은 오히려 성인군자네요.

Now we have this "trending" off-topic spam post about somebody else being a spammer and loser.

And now my comment is spam about spam about spam. Ugh!

@nonsowrites. What do you think about all the stuff happening on here? With a few of the top witnesses on Hive milking the reward pool because they've always been greedy and they actually want the platform dead because they cannot stand it?

I don't know what your goal is. Maybe it's to get some attention, I dunno. @gtg has replied you already. You want to be selective in your criticism, sure do. I have no interest in this sort of conversation. Do you. Build steem with your community. I'm just here to post my content and get as much as I can.

Like you did when you asked people glory7 not to complain when they felt they were treated unjustly.
I wonder why you think this is about gtg alone, or about me trying to get your attention. They're all doing it. the leaders you chose.

I tried to engage you in a conversation the last time, and I had to stop because you didn't like that it was against the people you support, and you thought the problem had to do with me not knowing what decentralization meant.

Well, here they are today, keeping up with the double standards, doing the exact same thing they've always been known to fight against. Dimming another's candle because they want theirs brighter.

After this comment, I don't think I'd like to talk about this matter with you or anyone anymore. Hopefully, other things, because I think you have chosen to be selective with your criticisms as well. Just wanted to be sure you saw this post. Thanks.

Like you did when you asked people >glory7 not to complain when they felt they were treated unjust.
I wonder why you think this is about gtg alone, or about me trying to get your attention. They're all doing it. the leaders you chose.

You keep going in circles. The fact that you think not receiving airdrops is unjustly is beyond my reasoning. There is no logical argument you can win on this ground. I didn't give you something you didn't want in the face first place and for some reason I'm unfair. Make it make sense please

I tried to engage you in a conversation the last time, and I had to stop because you didn't like that it was against the people you support, and you thought the problem had to do with me not knowing what decentralization meant.

You still don't know what DECENTRALISATION means. I have a detailed article about with reference from thought leaders on DECENTRALISATION. So if you care to update your knowledge please do.

Well, here they are today, keeping up with the double standards, doing the exact same thing they've always been known to fight against. Dimming another's candle because they want theirs brighter.

Oh boy! This is beyond me. Cant you see we are not on the same page? I don't know what you have against the witnesses or what you hope to achieve being in every comment section of post against former steem witnesses (even I don't have that time to waste) but use some of your creative power to build your community. You've been engaged in this back and forth for over a week, it's turning into an obsession but hey I guess that would be seen as an attack as well.

After this comment, I don't think I'd like to talk about this matter with you or anyone anymore.

Perfect because I have no time for it. When was the last time you saw me discuss steem? I have read countless articles that are anti hive this week and I have no tried to counter any because they are simply pointless.

because I think you have chosen to be selective with your criticisms as well.

Oh my! 🤦🏿‍♂️ Are you accusing of doing what you've been doing for the past eight days? Time will reveal who made the right decision. I hope you stay here and build and I hope the people you're supporting support you too.

Just wanted to be sure you saw this post. Thanks

Like I said I don't care about what goes on here. I'm simply posting here to earn. My emotional attachment to the project is gone.

You guys spammed and farmed the hell out of Steem when it was worth something and now you complain about @gtg milking a dead platform so he can dump as much as he can on Justin?

Kind of hypocritical i think...

I support gtg efforts to spam all day long and then some.

I still don't know who you refer to as "you guys" -> is that me?

If you talk about "spam", just see who spams here every post. AFAIK it's your HIVE friends.

and you admit that what he has done is milking. Great.

Istn tripleaaa run by you and Virus? One of the worst reward pool abusers on the platform.
"You guys" that run the Korean community. You guys that got a bunch of your community members to trust your stupid judgement of the situation.

Steem is dead. Every Steem milked is good for HIVE and bad for Justin. STEEM is Justin and anything bad for Justin is good in my book.
You guys are just collateral damage by your own choice.
But dont worry, after 13 weeks all of us will be gone.

Rofl. I am not even a member of triplea... you don't even know the basic facts and present stupid opinion based on your imagination. Nice.

Jaycoplayco or you, its the same thing. You believe the same stupid things.

Its not JUST bad for Justin. It is bad for everyone else with any STEEM. That is selfish and childish.

Oh, ow its bad. lol.
Once we all dump Justin will the by far the majority holder of SP

get out of here right now.

Disown Justin publicly, power down, apologize for holding Steem hostage and ill make sure to talk to anyone of relevance to give you guys the airdrop.

Of course Steemit users cannot see the reply from @gtg as his voice is censored. So much for freedom. He's given far more to Steem than those complaining about his actions. It's not like he got rich from it.

Whatever I have been censored by them before, now they get censored themselves. What goes around comes around! Everyone always knew Steemit was and is centralized, not sure why u all r making such a big deal about it now acting like it's some new thing?? lol

Well you can say what you like on Steem now. Anyone who would have flagged you is leaving. Enjoy!

Thanks, I will.

Top witnesses make like 30k usd a year. Just being a witness isnt that much work... thing is, no witness that makes 30k USD a year just sits around doing nothing otherwise they wouldnt be a top witness.Everyone i vote contribute in other ways.

As I said, that is not making them rich. They have costs to cover as well as putting in the hours. I have generally voted for those who I see doing good and will continue to do so on Hive.

Dude, I remember long before Justin ever got involved plenty of Steem users believed it was perfectly fine for a frontend management company to pick and choose what they allowed to show on their site. The whole point is that its still on the blockchain and you are always welcome to roll condenser.

Dude? As far as I know Steemit previously only blocked accounts when legally forced to. Of course posts could be flagged to invisibility by the community, but you could still read them if you wanted to. Now I would not be surprised if my own posts disappear from Steemit, but don't care much.

So it's okay for a top witness on Hive to behave this way because he's leaving?
I don't see @blocktrades doing the same. And do you know why? Unlike you and a lot of others, he's actually got honour.

If only you would use some frontend where the reality isn't manipulated by Steemit Inc. (I wrote you reply as @gtg, but that's obviously censored). TL;DR: I was trying to get noticed despite censorship, none rewards were milked, those comments was temporary and are not even there (seriously, if you are going to throw rocks at people, do your own research at least).

I don't understand what you mean by 'the comments were only temporary'. It sure looked like you were commenting and voting on a lot of comments at the same time.
And you unvoted and deleted them as soon as you were called out.
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It also seems you're also losing a lot of friends there... All the data are on https://steemd.com/@gtg
What i do not understand is why you chose to do what you, and a lot of others have always condemned.

OMG, you are really so blind or are you joking now?
Look at my vote power, see my resource credits.
You really think that it was my intent to spam and milking?

Alright, Gandalf, i'm willing to see things from your side of the story. Do you have a comment or an article that explains exactly what happened?

Because taking the steemd.com data at face value, it really did seem like you were spamming and milking the reward pool.

Truth is, there is a lot of good things that could emerge from this fork, and you really don't have to leave completely. You could reduce your stake on here and still function as a normal community member. Heck, i plan on cross-posting my articles on here as well. But there isn't any honour if we do the very things we disapprove of.

I know it hurts seeing steem this way, but we all gotta let it go and move forward, man.

Even during full power down, I'm still currently top60 when it comes to SP, which gives me amount of Resource Credits big enough to make hundreds of thousands of comments.

No, I'm not staying on Steem. I consider it an obsolete fork. I chose to continue my efforts on Hive as a direct continuation of what we've built on Steem.

I wrote about it in my posts published on censored @gtg account.

I thought that maybe those stupid censors will re-enable my account to be visible on Steemit at least in order to be downvoted, or, if not, maybe those who value freedom will start to think why they can no longer see my posts and comments, but apparently I was heavily overestimating those who chose to stay.

This is no longer the platform that I want to support and I'm moving out.
No, I'm not making any actions to hurt it. I owe it to SP holders who are moving out too. That's the only reason why I'm still around helping people with migration.

“This is a classic ideological split: the people who actively want a centralized chain can stay on Steem, the ones that don't will build Hive.”

Thank you for explaining, gtg.

Actually, the hypocrisy comes from people like @gtg that would not support that kind of behavior on Hive. This behavior is precisely why I was turned off from Hive. The Hive community had the vast majority of the crypto community rooting for it, but its going to lose that support if Hive thought leaders keep acting aggressively toward the Steem chain.

Some resentment is understandable, but its never acceptable to try fucking another blockchain over. And that's what it appears many Hive witnesses and big names are doing.

Hive is a decentralized community where we all work to make the platform the best it can be for everyone.
Steem is a blockchain owned by 1 guy. Things like this i see as a statement towards Justins blockchain, his tyranny and oppression.
And i say:

BURN.IT.ALL.DOWN. and fuck Justin.

You're a despicable person if you think so. This doesn't even agree with your claim of your love for decentralization. I don't see you trying to do the same thing on Twitter ad Facebook (centralized places where you usually go and sob).

End this, please. People should be free to remain on both chains if they choose to. Supporting the exact attitude we used to fight because you're leaving is double-standard.

Dude, chill out. I'm honestly trying to help you guys. Be the nice guys and the odds of Hive's success are much better. I'm turned off from Hive because of the way you are speaking right now. But while Hive already lost me as a user, there is a lot of potential to get others if you guys don't seem like a bunch of butt-hurt asshats, which you kind of do right now.

I don't care. I really don't. I'm only interested in ridiculing Steem and Justin's bootlickers until my 13 weeks are up.

He's a lying scumbag piece of shit and if Steem burns down while he's in charge I'll be the happier for it.

Well the good news is that Steem will likely get a HF with a much shorter powerdown rate than 13 weeks so you can probably leave sooner than 13 weeks.

And I'm sure Justin bought a lot of STEEM on unknown accounts before the fork so you'll be able to buy HIVE off him at a rate of 1.5ish STEEM for every HIVE. Cool, huh?

I wish I could say I am surprised.

"I am here for the community" are words that are easily spoken, or written. There are only a few people who are actually able to exercise them. Most will just be too greedy to do it.

No one is asking the ones who want to leave to stay. They can go, we live in a free world. But do they really want to go? What if Steemit does just fine without them, what if the empty space they left is filled easy enough by other people, and no one really misses them?

Their actions speak for themselves, they can't let go.

It will be interesting to see what happens to Hive when the Hive community starts to vote for implementations, features, changes to the system, the people who initiated this fork project are not okay with, or might lose (some of their) power. Time will tell.

We will see which one (or both) will stand the test of time.

Their actions speak for themselves, they can't let go.

Cannot agree more about this.

It's more like letting go takes 13 weeks

So true...

Look at how fucking pathetic you are...

Hanging out on a dead platform. Fucking sheep.

we are using steem blockchain not steemit, steemit is not steem, you can use #dblog or #partikoapp

Thanks for confirming what I said.

The people who stayed on Steemit are not the sheep, they are not following anyone, they are still in the same place.

Why is it so hard to just put all energy you have in making Hive wonderful and great, and let those who want to be on Steemit do the same for that platform? What are you afraid of?

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Let me add a screenshot in case you change your mind.

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And he is insulting such beautiful animal like sheeps..
Sad, simply sad..

It is funny to see so many Hive people feel the urge to reply and downvote. Really? How come you are not busy on your just created platform? Help people get started, engage with everyone.

While they scream to high heaven about freedom of speech, they don't exercise it themselves at all. Things have been wrong with Steemit for a long time. Any platform with downvotes enabled will have the negative vibe incorporated.

I am glad I found a friendly, supportive, engaged community on Whaleshares.io. No downvotes, no flagging, just a simple live and let live approach. I dare everyone to try it.

Whaleshare sounds interesting. I did not know that there are no downvotes there. Perhaps I will start migrating my content there as well. The only problem I have is not having enough whaleshares resources to post my longer content.

Give it a try. The resources are not that much of a problem since the devs installed a side-chain for content. Using that will use way less resources.

Just posting an introduceyourself tagged intro post will generate enough support (tips/WLS) to make resources no issue after one day. All tips are instant, no delay.

Contact me on Discord if you want and I will help you get started.
Jamie - ijmmai[witness] WLS#4127