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RE: Soy boys – Is soy latte consumption feminizing men?

in #health5 years ago

Hormonal effects of soy in premenopausal women and men.

That title is a miserable fail to begin with :D

Only three intervention studies reported hormonal effects of soy isoflavones in men. These recent studies in men consuming soyfoods or supplements containing 40--70 mg/d of soy isoflavones showed few effects on plasma hormones or semen quality. These data do not support concerns about effects on reproductive hormones and semen quality.

So it does have an effect.

In the clip they mention, that a large number of babies grow up on soy milk. Pretty much all studies seem to agree that it only has a significant effect in premenopausal women and men (lol) or in other words: people with low / imbalanced hormone levels to begin with. I'd say babies fall into that category.

I'd say you have not debunked this at all.

Sorry.

I'll give you a full upvote, because I appreciate the effort.

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No, sorry, but I don't think you read that correctly.

a) A meta analysis takes into account lots of different studies, and weights the results. In this case, there are 3 studies showing few (=weak) effects and dozens showing no effect at all, thus the scientific conclusion is:

These data do not support concerns about effects on reproductive hormones and semen quality.

Thus:

So it does have an effect.

Is a statement that does clearly not reflect the available scientific dataset.

b) premenopausal (=regular adult) women do not have low or imbalanced hormone levels

b) premenopausal (=regular adult) women do not have low or imbalanced hormone levels

Oh, yeah- I mixed that up.

I meant: It only seems to show effects in people, who are not regular adults.

There are 3 studies showing weak effects in regular men.
There is an effect.

You can not conclude that this has no effect on babies.

From my perspective:

There are other foods, that will increase someone's testosterone levels.
Soy sort of has proven to be definitely not one of those.
If anything, it could potentially lower them.

For me, the myth of the soy boy continues.

There is an effect.

You can't wipe away all the other studies showing no effect. The correct statement based on the data would be:

Most likely, there is no effect. If any, it is just weak.

I didn't assess the situation in babies yet, but I'll have a look once I have time for it (and post it here in the comment section).

You can't wipe away all the other studies showing no effect. The correct statement based on the data would be:

Most likely, there is no effect. If any, it is just weak.

Since those studies actually are specifically only aimed at otherwise healthy men, I am very sceptic of the conclusions.

Going back to the video, even they aren't saying it's only the soy causing the proven low testosterone levels of the Buzzfeed journalists.

Writing like this is very tiring ...
If your shit is already fucked up, then this just might be another nail in the coffin.

Oh sorry, I was specifically talking about the effect on otherwise healthy men, of course. This is what the papers are about.

The main punchline of the clip obviously is: You're eating/drinking soy, you become a refugee-loving, whiny liberal because of the female hormones. And this clearly is complete bullshit.

Latest studies have shown, that hyperbolic speech and examples could be indications for mild forms of satire.

We're talking in circles^^

I looked up whether the basic idea behind this satire (soy--> feminizing men) was backed up by science, and it is not. I don't really understand what's the problem with that.

The problem is you called it 'complete bullshit' and that's screwing up the facts just as much as they did.

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