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RE: Haejin Loves His Fans

in #haejin7 years ago

I am neither for nor against haejin, but its really hard to take what you say seriously with an abundance of ad hominem shit thrown in.

It seems like you are against people investing in themselves with their own steem power?

Im not really familiar with how it all works or whether it is good or bad.. tbh just sayin that providing an argument with clear premises that follow whatever conclusion can be more persuasive maybe. I dont feel I learned anything about your position or the problem at large from reading this beyond: Using votes on yourself is bad. Haejin votes for himself. Therefore Haejin is bad.

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I don't care if he upvoted himself with small amounts but if he gets away with this then what is stopping people like @themarkymark to use buildawhale to upvote himself at $1000 SBD each post? Or Jerrybanfield (or whatever) or lukestokes... If every whale did this then there would be no reward pool and that is what you don't get

Ok I did get something there: If all whales voted for themselves there would be no reward pool!

I now have an idea of the problem, but still know nothing about it or what makes it wrong/bad. Maybe explain why it is wrong/bad/harmful and maybe provide the more ideal scenario or an example of a whale doing what you think is a healthy/good/beneficial thing. You cant question beg.

I honestly am curious.

edit: Think I replied to the wrong dude

So steem runs off of a publicly shared reward pool,
The value of an upvote is proportional to the value of the reward pool. So if the reward pool is drained, an upvote is worth less, if it is filled it is worth more. If all of the whales upvoted themselves at 100% 10 times a day (like haejin) then the reward pool would drain super fast and wouldn't be able to sustain the community.

This yes! tbh I think I knew what you were saying in your post, but wanted there to be some actual substance of your argument somewhere here.

From my very basic understanding of Steemit, it seems like the incentives for content creation and/or voting may be out of whack or promoting the wrong types of behavior. If there is money to be made you can safely assume people will game the system by any means.

Its moot to blame the actors in a system if they are using steemit within its Terms of Use or whatever boundaries or rules are set; it is either working as intended or it is flawed and promoting behavior detrimental the the whole. EDIT: there could be alternatives such as the system isnt mature enough yet to reach a balance or some shit like that maybe - im just trying to promote meaningful discourse, no hate

Just my 2 sats

So something I want to see implemented is a non-linear reward system where the higher the rewards on the post, the more someone would need to invest to increase the reward by a set amount (though no witness would go with this) so basically if you post was at $1 value then someone with 10,000SP could upvote at 100% and increase it by $1 but if your post was at $100 then it would need someone with say 100,000 or something like that to increase the rewards by $1. This would remove the issue of such blatant abuse being perpetrated so easily

That could be good. I hope it all works itself out! Steemit is a pretty cool idea.

Thanks for staying civil with me, I have learned a bit about how Steemit and everything works from this.

I don't think any whales, or witnesses, would adopt this though. Otherwise it is a really good solution.

I apologize if I have been condescending at all. I am just a little frustrated watching people do things that actively tear apart the community and the people that can stop it don't do anything. Thank you for keeping it civil on your end.

We good man! I hear ya, hoping for the best.

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