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RE: A Discussion About Guns

in #guns7 years ago (edited)

Hi! Perspective from an Aussie who does not own a gun....To see people die at the hands of maniacs with guns is truly horrifying and I am in no way trying to downplay the gravity of recent events, however... I think an important point that needs to be addressed, yet seems to consistently being overlooked is the fact that the recent events in Vegas were carried out using guns with ILLEGAL modifications, so technically his guns weren't legal anyway. Does anybody actually think he gave two shits about that? So had guns been illegal altogether would it have really made a difference?

The other point, and I believe this is by far the more important of the two is protection against oppressive regimes. Now this might stir people up a little but I venture to say that the more than 100 million people that were murdered in the last century under marxist dictators internationally far outweighs the number of deaths by insane, lone gunmen...That's not even to mention any other forms of oppressive government (that's JUST Marxism).

I understand these are heavy discussions that do need to be had, but if I were in the US, I would be far more concerned about the dangerous people who want to take your guns than the chance you might get shot by a crazy person and to be REALLY real, from an international perspective I believe that the power that (those who want to take the guns) would gain from that would also have severe implications on a global scale. Perhaps that is a slightly selfish perspective but to a degree I almost feel like the US citizens are a sort of "last line defence" against a truly oppressive globalist movement that is just waiting in the wing for it's chance to strike...

My 2c.

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I'm a legal citizen of the US with dual citizenship with Italia. I lost nothing if the US removed firearms.

But any government who wishes to remove something which a countryman has is scary indeed.

What other rights will tptb be terminating?

Yeah there is no easy answer and you’re right about oppressive regimes, whether it’s the current North Korea dilemma to stalin’s Russia or Ceausescu in Romania, when the state has too much power, the people are in trouble. And with the amount of guns/tanks/drones/weapons the American government has, it can be very difficult to convince any citizen to give up his arms. But this is at least a discussion that needs to be had

It certainly doesn't need to be had:

This discussion is prompted by the Acts of a Deranged man who sought to commit a massacre.

We are discussing Guns in the context of "Should they be allowed?" ONLY because that happened. It's a pseudo discussion at that because everyone understand that nobody can and should bear a consequences of the acts of this mad man, and those that are victims to his act need to blame the problematic "Gun Free" zone that creates such a tantalizing target for these mad men and the lack of protection in these vulnerable places.

If he did it with a bomb this conversation wouldn't happen, regardless of gun free zones or not as nobody can protect against such a suicidal mad man, and if he did it with a bulldozer, equally this would not be a discussion we would be having as would be the case for anything other than a Legal (not lawful) firearm.

The American Government is not a Democracy, here the 51% DON'T vote to eat the other 49% for dinner, and the majority has made it's voice heard on matters of "Mob Rules/Democracy" which are interchangeable terms because Democracy is only the appearance of Legitimate, but it could never amount to actual Lawful Governance which relies all on the Consent of the people, who clearly Do Not Consent by the fact that 2/3 aren't even registered to vote! What you call American Government should never be called so as it's fundamentally not what the American Government guaranteed to Americans is or has ever been.

In light of that, North Korea is more Lawful than what you purport as American Government and there is a reason this Unlawful Corporation is going after North Korea after gifting them the only type of Nuclear Reactor that could be used to produce weapons grade plutonium, and it's akin to the snobby rich kid PLANTing his stuff in the poor kids hands and then crying "thief", unfortunately the world is waking up, and this causes the rich kid to profess even more loudly "THIEF", but all the world hears is a snobby rich kid making dubious allegations which doesn't bode well with the little runt.

No pressure or anything guys haha..

I wish I would see more people voicing this. I think a lot of people feel this way, but either can't or for whatever reason don' voice these opinions. I'm hoping to get an article out on this later today if you'd like to check it out.

Will do man! Let me know when you post it and I'll come have a look, I'm following you now but my feed tends to get so full of crap that I just head straight to the "political" feed now anyways :)

I agree with much of what you said, however, I do have to mention a few things. 1 the "bump stocks" are a 100% legal modification. 2 they, along with the 100 round surefire magazines mitigated the carnage. both are gimmicks, useful only for seoerating the gullible from their money. both features increase the frequency of jams, which the shooter compensated for by having more rifles available. on the subject of oppressive regimes, in ...I believe it was 1938, Adolph Hitler prohibited Jews from owning firearms. much easier to load people in boxcars when they arent armed

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