The Google Memo Kerfluffle

in #google7 years ago

Well, I read the purported memo that was used as evidence to justify firing a Google employee. It's what one should do when there is a contentious issue, after all. And all told, I don't see what the fuss is about. If his arguments are sound and his evidence is verifiable, what is wrong with the document? If his arguments are unsound and his evidence is falsifiable, address the arguments. How hard is this?

There seems to be a widespread belief that feelings are more important than facts, and opinions trump reason. I don't mean to minimize feelings, but they are unavoidably subjective impressions that can be entirely divorced from reality. How you feel about facts is irrelevant in a rational discussion.

There is also a common belief that the interpretation of facts offered by an authority figure constitutes a fact in itself, but this is also a poor method of rational investigation. Not only do facts need to be verified, but also the interpretation of facts needs to be questioned. A popular argument is, "we have all the facts, and all you have is opinion!" Be open to the possibility that facts can be interpreted in more than one way, and then explore the reasoning behind such interpretation.

Kindly comment below if you object to the memo with the specific alleged facts you find questionable or the arguments you find unsound. If you disagree, offer a refutation. if you agree, point out where weaknesses can be strengthened with better evidence and reasoning. Let's try to build a discussion instead of adding to the cacophony of accusations.


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First off, he's almost 100% correct, and cites compelling research. Second, he practically begged to be fired.

Why? Because of who set the culture at Google. It wasn't imposed from without, but from the top.

Third, there is a sound and Machiavellian purpose behind that culture, as Google is no longer a company openly conducting business, but is now embedded in the deep state, and profiting from that culture by increasing it's political power.

Google is in the process of taking over the world, and the truth is inconvenient to ruthless conquerors. Bodies hit the floor, and scalawags and rapscallions drop them. Google is doing that, and this guy is smart enough to know that.

Finally, I reckon he can prove that his firing is due to his political views, and, IIRC, that is a protected class under federal statute. IANAL, and am probably quite wrong, as Google has incredible legal staff, and they would know if they inculcated legal liability by firing him for it.

I mean, they coulda just planted meth in his car, or something. They made this very public, and why they fired him the most trumpeted aspect of the matter.

I see this as the public face of the beginning of the end for Google, just as I see the 'safe spaces' on universities as the same for them. In truth, the beginning of the end for both institutions was long ago, when they began heading in this direction.

As Google began 'ghost banning', de-monetizing content on YT, and delinking relevant search results, conducting censorship and spewing propaganda, it lost it's value to folks using search, just as have the wholly owned media.

It's quite a good memo (I only saw one typo), and, were Google merely in the advertising business still, may well have earned it's author a promotion.

Since Google is now really in the world conquering business, it is antithetical to Google's real goals, which is to pussify the world, and lord it over the serfs and peons that are thereby created.

Thanks for convincing me to read the memo, as I had intended to avoid the kerfuffle altogether. You got me to think about it, and I gained insight into not only Google, but the deep state.

Also, I like the memo's author. Classical liberal! Classy, at least.

Great way to get fired from a company you can no longer stand, and stand out to companies that will recruit you avidly, for all the right reasons. Plus, a generally stand up thing to do. I think it increased his standing in circles he cares about. I think I understand why he did it. This memo will be a standard that companies can measure their own diversity plans by, and that's a good thing.

So we've all heard the saying "There's a thin line between pleasure and pain." There's an even thinner line between facts and the need to be right. I'm forever quoting this http://lynnenamka.com/anger-management/anger-management-articles/need-right-way-thinking/ to people who, as you said, are not open to interpretation but stick rigidly to the perceived letter of the so called fact. I suspect the reason for this is in a lot of cases it is because there is a potential floor to the fact and therefore we are into the realms of needing to be right.

My other < air quotes>Issue< /air quotes> with facts is that while it is a fact today, it may not be tomorrow.

I've not read this 'Memo' (I'll go and find it.), but I liked your post. It's exactly the type of post we (I) want on steemit. :-)

I desperately need to be right, which is why I change my mind the moment I realize I am wrong =p

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“The limits of debate in this country are established before the debate even begins, and everyone else is marginalized and made to seem like some sort of disloyal person, or a 'kook' ”

~ George Carlin.

(Something like that)

The memo was literally the guy saying that men and women aren't equivalent, that Google shouldn't use quotas to fulfill some arbitrary diversity metric, and that if they want more women, Google should incentivize women to apply and work at the company.

Apparently, just the absolute worst shit ever.

To assume the worst, we must assume that a descent into nazi-like fascism will start very slowly, over small outrages, like this guy being fired.

Of course it'll start with a guy being fired for his rather unremarkable opinions, but it could be just part of the game.

Now that the issue has turned this guy into a victim, other people will feel outrage, and start to step forward.

It's just red vs blue, the endless marching of the left and right, always sure to keep the people fighting a worthless battle for "freedoms" that don't matter.

Fools, all of you, getting involved in this red vs blue fight.

There are fights to be had, but they have nothing to do with red vs blue or left vs right.

How is stating a relevant and considered opinion a partisan issue in the first place, and why is there a desire to turn it into one instead of considering the specific issues raised in the memo?

Don't be unaware of the current political climate.

There's a fire brewing, and a stick might just look like a stick for now, but with enough of them, the fire burns hot.

There are always fires burning in politics, and "revolutionaries" are always eager to gain power for themselves. That is why rational examination of issues is essential.

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