Global Warming - Forgotten Science

in #globalwarming6 years ago

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A couple of years ago a friend of mine (who is a true believer in man made global warming) asked me if I believed. Shocked when I said "No", he asked why. I explained to him why it wasn't physically possible in a summarized form of my previous posts on this topic and he listened patiently. His question: "OK, why are the glaciers melting?"

I had to think for a couple of minutes on how to phrase my response and finally told him "Because they are supposed to!". Needless to say, he needed another explanation.

In September of 1958, almost 60 years ago, Harper's Magazine published the article "The Coming Ice Age A true scientific detective story". The article details the list of clues put together by Maurice Ewing and William L. Donn to put together their article "A Theory of Ice Ages" that was published in the June 15, 1956 edition of Science Magazine.

The earth has an ocean current being driven by the melting of the glaciers. This current transports cold water from near the artic into the southern hemisphere and returns warm water from the southern hemisphere back to the artic glaciers. The transport of heat along this current tends to warm the northern hemisphere and cool the southern hemisphere, acting as a thermostat for the planet. So what happens when our artic glacier ice cubes are gone?

As the glaciers are melting, the ocean level is rising and the surface area of open water for evaporation is increasing. With the increase of open water more water evaporates from the ocean to become water vapor in the atmosphere. This melting has been going on since the end of the last ice age, 11,000 years ago.

Once the artic glaciers are gone the Arctic Ocean is actually an ocean with water flowing freely between the Arctic Ocean and the Atlantic ocean. This free flow of water between the Artic and Atlantic will warm the Arctic Ocean and cool the Atlantic Ocean. In addition, the global current in the ocean distributing energy around the planet will not exxist. With the cooling weather in the northern hemisphere and the increased water vapor in the atmosphere, sooner or later it's going to start snowing. And when it starts snowing, sooner or later the snow is going to stick around all summer until it starts to snow again on last year's snow.

The article referenced above goes on to talk about people living near the arctic circle once the Arctic Ocean was free of ice. Before reading this article I had never thought of the glaciers during the ice age having a northern border, I had always assumed they started at the north pole and moved south.

Now let's apply some common sense to all this:

What happens as the artic glaciers melt? We get more water vapor into the atmosphere. If you read the previous post you already know that water vapor is the most important greenhouse gas, so you know the planet is going to warm. Some might call this "global warming". Trees are not the only way the planet harnesses carbon dioxide, carbon dioxide is also absorbed into ocean water. The trouble is, warmer ocean water can hold less carbon dioxide than colder water, so the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is going to increase. It's been documented that before each of the several ice ages the planet has had (yes, there's been more than one, could start a whole string of Ice Age movies) the level of carbon dioxide increases in the atmosphere.

With the rise in temperature from the increased water vapor, as the global warming alarmist are telling us, we will have more intense storms. You have to admit, some of the hurricanes we've had over the past few years have been amazingly strong and large.

Once the snow starts sticking around all summer in the northern hemisphere, what's the impact? Remember the post on the albedo? Snow doesn't absorb the energy from the sun, not much anyway. So most of the energy during the northern hemisphere summer will be reflected out into space. This is really going to accelerate that coming ice age.

How long will it snow? The article referenced above says it will snow until the water in the Arctic Ocean and the Atlantic Ocean can no longer mix. Currently they say this is until the oceans levels drop 300 - 400 feet. Think that will never happen? Think back to documentaries on underwater cities complete with houses and street, statues, etc. It's happened before.

Will this happen overnight? Unfortunately the answer is no way this happens overnight. Unfortunately? Yes, unfortunately. As the earth starts to cool there will be many years going by as the growing seasons get shorter and shorter. Billions upon billions of people will die of starvation rather than freezing to death. I'd rather be flash frozen in my sleep than to have to witness that.

When will this happen? The article, in 1958, suggested this could happen as quickly as within 100 years meaning we would only have about 40 years left. Fortunately we are entering into a period of time when the sun will be putting out less energy than normal which will slow the melting of the glaciers.

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Thank you. I started reading about the physics behind the concept of man made global warming a few years ago to develop my own opinion of the likelihood. Luckily back then I took good notes that I can turn into posts.

I don’t understand.
Do you believe that global warming is made by human pollution or not?
Thanks

No, I do not believe global warming is made by human pollution. I do believe the climate is changing, what I do not believe is that the burning of fossil fuels to make all our lives easier is the cause. Efforts to control carbon dioxide emissions will have no impact on global warming and will make the costs of our energy needs more expensive.

The first post in this series discusses the main reasons why I don't believe in man made global warming and the subsequent posts provide additional details.

I read you are from USA, the country with the biggest ecological footprint after emirates, I understand why you tell a lot of lies to defend your lifestyle
Regards

Maybe you should let me know what you think in any of my posts are lies. I will help you understand the source of this information.

I do enjoy writing but I don't have the creativity it takes to develop a work of fiction. By the way, don't you feel that condemning someone just because of the country they are from is racist? Also, please tell me about my personal lifestyle since you seem to know that also.

I don't take like gold a theory of a man written in 1950, when industrialization had alredy started (I don't know you heard about London smoke in half 1800) and perhaps it had started to have effect yet, so someone could prepare a good theory against for any purpose. I'm expert of lies, so I know it's Machiavellian, but not impossible, wake up.
But the fact "we supposed the glaciers are melting" is so a lie that I temped to not answer at all. So I supposed that the oceans are clean from any plastic waste and forests are growing, but it isn't. There are a lot of a lot of satellitar photos of glaciers and polar caps that are melting that I don't think it's a supposition. In the while the planet are worming, seasons continues to alternate, so we have winters too, and for compensation they are more violents than years ago, like it's happening this moment, but the average temperature is growing, this is not just a supposition.
Albedo? I understand. Snow ball planet theory? Interesting and quite true in a time only angels, demons and extremophiles bacterias lived, but not this time we write.
Usually the living species adapt themselves to gradual climatic change, but it's not happening and no asteroids hit our planet like with dinosaurs, it need an alternative explanation. I know it's not an evidence that can convince everybody, I don't want.
I would bet your soul that year after year temperature will grow, oceans will plastificate (unless huge investments in strange and unsuccesful projects, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ocean_Cleanup), forests be burned and animals will extinct and die. After all you will understand that lifestyle you need to adopt to stop that all is smaller than you can imagine, smaller than mine too, in effect. I told you, and you should to tell everybody, not the lie and petrol oil industry theories that will surround you and people you know with the damned hell, without you will understand how and why. Continue that way, you all, because in the hell I will be judge and king, ahahahaha...
Forgotten science, ahahahahahah, but if it's the science your president would, ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
best regards

If you're going to try to quote me, at least do it accurately. If you don't like my opinions, please feel free to banish me from your childish playground of devils and demons.

The theory of global warming said that the greater part of greenhouse effect is natural, but in a complex mechanism as Earth, also a little changment can cause huge consequences in order of chaos theories and butterfly effects. For exemple: a little increment of temperature cause emissions of methane from oceans that increase temperature in turn.
Angels and demons, myths, legends and fantasies are only a language to speak to unconscious and soul, who have it.
Demons are methaphor to describe people that lies or hide truth for selfishness and interest, people that have privileges, richness and comforts and don’t want to give them up to divide them with rest of world. "Hell" will be the planet Earth after our civilization, not other dimensions, only this planet after us, for our sons and daughters, nephews, grandchildren or simply young friends after our omissions and hypocrisies.
Regards

OK. Please explain to me, in scientific terms, the mechanism and effect of the methane emissions due to "a little increment of temperature".

You are using your metaphor of demons, myths, legends and fantasies to lead people in a direction that is not supported by science. Every statement in my posts can be backed up, can you honestly say that about your playground of demons?

If you have a great deal of money for your country and your neighbor has none, do you give him your money? Do you give him half of it? Or are you going to hide your truth of having wealth for selfishness and self-interest. You want to take money from affluent countries and send to countries with less, START WITH YOUR NEIGHBOR!

Look at yourself first, are you a demon? Are you telling lies and hiding the truth based on selfishness and self interest? Most people when challenged to look around have to admit they have it better than others living close to them.

There are countries in the world where most people do not have internet, you do apparently. Are you lying and hiding your wealth? If so, go back to your childish playground of devils and demons and leave me alone.

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