I love the idea about having a proof of fact based discourse/discussion about these topics, but in my experience most of the "globe-heads" will just come flying out of the woodwork with their name calling. So hopefully by me calling them "globe-heads" strikes first blood, and or gets the more educated ones to actually want to have a discussion. This topic is actually mind blowing right now, and the mandela effect too . To the people that scoff, or marginalize these two issues right now. Are from the current time line. Those of us with open minds, and the ability to think abstractly about it seem to be from the previous time lines. As crazy as it all sounds. Do research these topics for a few months, and get back to me .