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RE: Anarcho-Capitalism - Contradiction in Terms? Oxymoron? Or Not? Does Anarchy Truly Mean 'No Overpowering'?

in #freedom6 years ago

avoid dealing with criticism of pure capitalism without state control

Anarcho-capitalism ruled by the people as a committee is the answer to the checks of unchecked capitalism. Rotating committees made up of the people. Compare this with a state rule, which has become an absolute nightmare of corruption.

I have seen they are also often quick to point the finger (deflection) at their arch-enemies 'anarcho-communists' whenever challenged on weaknesses with capitalism itself

I don't believe the enemy of Anarcho-capitalism are the Anarcho-communists. Both seek to govern humanity unilaterally through grassroots cooperation, just go about it in different ways. In my opinion, either would be better than the global systems that have been in the hands of a small group of people raping the people and the planet.

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"Anarcho-capitalism ruled by the people as a committee is the answer to the checks of unchecked capitalism. Rotating committees made up of the people"

How is that any different to capitalist 'democracy'? Who manages the process of controlling the rotation etc.?

I don't believe the enemy of Anarcho-capitalism are the Anarcho-communists.

Having been a member of a few anarchist groups online, I can say that over 50% of the posts are between these groups scrapping with each other and accusing each other of more or less exactly the same thing.

#The key difference is that it is the people holding power vs a central state. The time of holding any position would be both optional and set in duration.

#per your second response. 1)Divide and conquer at play by state actors and 2) Ideological differences that could be amicably resolved. No doubt the difference in opinion exists but one thing is clear, at least to me and that is both these groups though they disagree on the economical point, strongly agree that a single central state will always inflict violence on its people and others to protect its existence

key difference is that it is the people holding power vs a central state. The time of holding any position would be both optional and set in duration.

Isn't 'the state' just a bunch of people claiming to represent 'the people'?
Does the time period involved in some way effect the likelihood of such a structure being corrupted?

Divide and conquer at play by state actors

There may well be some of that going on, yes. However, there is a fundamental disagreement between the groups - although that might be due to them not understanding each other to some extent.

I have not seen any possibility of amicable resolution to the differences, they appear to be polar opposites. It's probably the case that most of the disagreements are due to the fact that the various 'state communist parties' are completely different to the core idea of what communism is. That said, I think that the originators of communism actually did intend it to become what it turned into and were essentially 'bad actors' funded by Wall St. Bankers (Warburgs).

Isn't 'the state' just a bunch of people claiming to represent 'the people'?

"claim" being the keyword here.

Does the time period involved in some way effect the likelihood of such a structure being corrupted?

Yes, exactly. A life long position held by one is corruptible, but held by many and divided up is much less so.

However, there is a fundamental disagreement between the groups - although that might be due to them not understanding each other to some extent.

Yes, the disagreement exists but these two ideas are much closer aligned than the current pure capitalism, and the twisted, totalatarian states that fly the communist flag, systems.

I think that the originators of communism actually did intend it to become what it turned into and were essentially 'bad actors' funded by Wall St. Bankers (Warburgs).

I agree up until a point. The original Bolsheviks were for the ruling of society by the people, and not a few. That movement was co-opted to what it has begun today.

"claim" being the keyword here.

Yes, I am pointing to how any group can claim to be representing the best interests of the people, but they rarely do - regardless of anything whatsoever. I don't really see how direct democracy can involve any form of 'committee' since committees inherently create a form of hierarchy.
I would be interested to see the logic of how this might not be the case.

A life long position held by one is corruptible, but held by many and divided up is much less so.

Life long positions are inherently inviting corruption, yes - however, my point is that the current systems typically involve a 3/4 year position that cycles to different people - but that doesn't in any way result in reduced corruption.. it just means that the people involved shape their groups to give the appearance of change taking place over time when it isn't.

I suspect that Lenin and Marx were both bad actors (trojan horses) sent in to create a new form of dictatorship that 'the people' would buy in to.

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