It's Worse Than You Thought

in #freedom6 years ago

This is a truly chilling development. Honestly, it's so unsettling that when I first read about it I searched the terms online to confirm it with other sources. It was just too unbelievable and I thought it was satire.

But no, it's real!

Here's an excerpt from the first article I read:

"Those, like Dandan, with top “citizen scores” get VIP treatment at hotels and airports, cheap loans and a fast track to the best universities and jobs.

Those at the bottom can be locked out of society and banned from travel, or barred from getting credit or government jobs.

The system will be enforced by the latest in high-tech surveillance systems as China pushes to become the world leader in artificial intelligence.

Surveillance cameras will be equipped with facial recognition, body scanning and geo-tracking to cast a constant gaze over every citizen.

Smartphone apps will also be used to collect data and monitor online behaviour on a day-to-day basis.

Then, big data from more traditional sources like government records, including educational and medical, state security assessments and financial records, will be fed into individual scores.

Trial social credit systems are now in various stages of development in at least a dozen cities across China....

Who your friends and family are will affect your score. If your best friend or your dad says something negative about the government, you’ll lose points too."


You should read the complete article for even more in depth information, such as what life is like for those who have low scores. Here's just a bit on that:

"People can be blacklisted for transgressions such as smoking on trains, using expired tickets or failing to pay fines, as well as spreading false information or causing trouble on flights, according to statements released by China’s National Development and Reform Commission in March.

Citizens with high credit scores can access better hotels, rental homes and even schools; while those with low credit scores can be temporarily or permanently banned from taking planes or trains, as happened to 6.15 million people in 2017, on the government’s own figures."


Also note that the system is not being resisted by the Chinese, because those with high scores in the trial areas support the system due to the privilege it gives them and their children.

One of the other articles I found was from a paper I read regularly, the Guardian. It wrote on the effects of the system on international investors in China. Here's an excerpt from that Guardian article

"As of 1 January 2018, all companies with a Chinese business licence – a necessity for operating in the country – were brought into the social credit system through the new licence requirement to have an 18-digit “unified social credit code”. Through this business ID number, the Chinese government keeps track of all businesses, reporting transgressions on its National Enterprise Credit Information Publicity System, Hoffman said. The system extends to non-profits, NGOs, trade unions and social organisations after 30 June.

'Companies don’t have a choice but to comply if they want to continue doing business in China,' Hoffman told the Guardian Australia.

Sanctions for companies so far have come in the form of fines, she said, citing the example of the Japanese retailer Muji, which was fined 200,000 yuan in May for labelling on products sold in China that listed Taiwan as a country. The fine cited a violation of PRC advertising law banning activity which damages “the dignity or interests of the state”, but the violation was also recorded on the social credit system’s National Enterprise Credit Information Publicity System. This listing can trigger further fines from other state agencies, Hoffman said."


So if you want to acknowledge Taiwan as a separate country from China, or god forbid Tibet! ... you can forget about doing business in China. You will be blocked at every step.

"... the Brookings Institute has reported that businesses that pay tax on time and “abide by government demands” will get better loan conditions and easier access to public tenders; noncompliant businesses will face more difficult business conditions."


I realize this post is a lot of quotes, but honestly I can't find words to describe this atrocity. I really hope I've encouraged you to read both of the articles I've shared with you in their entirety, because I promise that I still haven't covered the extent and impact of this new policy, which they intend to have fully rolled out by 2020.

I don't know what you do with this information. I don't know what I'm going to do with it.

I only know that any thought I'd had that China was just a boogeyman the US government was trying to convince me to fear so that it could manipulate me has now given way to a lack of concern for such ideas.

I don't care what they want me to think. I care about what I see actually happening there.

It concerns me now to think about how China is getting its hooks into the African continent. We who love freedom don't want a government with this severity of Orwellian control increasing its influence anywhere on this planet!

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Sounds like some scary episode from black mirror. Ever seen that? There's a episode where the individual person gets "rated" by others and people can see their ratings. If you get too low, you get your rights taken away by the society.

I know it's not all the same but it's this concept of big brother society that makes you behave in a certain way or you will get punished

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I've seen some Black Mirror, but don't recall that episode. Sounds about like their "social credit" thing though. I thought that show also called the American presidential election. Waldo won.

Scary indeed! Shows the importance of supporting decentralized communities based in social technology that can protect one from this. While I think we are all too connected at this point to avoid this, I think we can support developing systems that could at least make the process more transparent to know when and how we are being watched.

And also know which companies are adjusting their behavior to comply with such extortion. I'm going to be watching for anyone deleting "Taiwan" from their materials and won't do business with those companies. To enable Fascism is to be a part of it.

Thanks for the reminder. I do recall that episode and how hyper-sensitive people were to even socialize with lower-scored people for fear of "losing points." Great episode. It was called Nosedive. Someone made a comparison here:

Terrifying... but closer to becoming a reality in more places than China, in one form or another, if people don't realize how dangerous the next level of control is. Recently, a controversy started on overuse of facial recognition instruments by London Police.

Now, being a bit less serious about it (although it's a very serious matter), I wonder if it's a good idea to post or comment on this matter. After all, it's on the blockchain forever. What will happen with our score?

They can have all my points and shove them up their 💥

I really don't know why they want to control people's lives like this. What are they afraid of?

I've often excused their authoritarian communist government, thinking it a free country because it is economically open. But now I see that they are not a free country at all. They seem to believe that you can't manage 1 Billion people without this level of micro-management control. The world must reject this idea, or woe to humanity.

Yah, I already feel uncomfortable with this action, even though it is not my country. There might be a revolution there some day. It feels closer than ever now.

So dystopic indeed.

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Would be interesting to see if all this isn't already going on under the table in Europe, the U.S. and other developed countries... I know there's a supercomputer already gathering all this data in Europe.

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Well I know it can't be going on in America at this level, because some of the most vocal critics of the government have been thriving in places like California, Washington and New York states. But are they tracking and collecting data? Well that's all the NSA is there for!

Edit: I've known for decades that I must not use certain words when making an international call, for example.

It might seem off topic but it isn't: have you checked out this video?

I think we are heading to a mixture of what you posted coupled with this.

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LOL, this reminds me of the Black Mirror show Holms was mentioning. Yes, they use our capitalism to manipulate us into giving up our freedom.

In the article they talk about how people like the new social credit system because of the privilege it gives, and those are all financial privileges. Even what schools their kids go to is ultimately about financial benefit. The more we let ourselves worship that one thing, the more easy we are to control.

Watching this short video, all I could think was, leave your device off! But all she could think was, do I still have my points?

Orwellian, indeed! This is some fascist shit right there.

Digital Fascism. Yes.

Seems like they still on track to severe oppression, but that will definitely lead to a violent uprising.
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