The Problems of Social Democracy

in #freedom7 years ago

Social democracy itself is flawed in many aspects

Social democracy is a system of social progressivism with the economic system of capitalism. This system ultimately can not benefit the workers. On top of that as long as the rich remain in control of society it can not be truly democratic.







Control by the Rich


In capitalism the ruling class are those who control the most resources. One of the biggest flaws in social democracy is that you cannot simultaneously have people more powerful than others, and a functional democracy with a fair government.

The goal of the ruling class is to extract as much as it can from the workers, preferably with as little effort as possible. This is done mostly through private property, while partially through taxes and other “ideas”. Private property is property in the marxist sense, owned by the ruling class that is labored on by the workers (personal property is what the worker owns and uses). The only thing that truly changes the value of an object is human labor. This means when something is sold for a profit, the worker gets less than he produced. Taxes chip away the resources of the worker in much the same way.

The state plays a pivotal role in this system other than the (minor) taxes. Without private property, this system of oppression would not be possible, and private property can not exist without a government. The only thing binding property “rights” is the government, it is simply a legal fiction. The only thing stopping the workers from keeping what they produce is the guards and the government. In a capitalist society the only thing stopping the guards taking it is the government.

The ruling class can only keep its power with the help of the government. The ruling class also wishes to keep a tight hold on the government to keep its power. The workers can break this hold, but only when they understand what is going on. The power of this system is that if the workers are not educated enough to understand the true nature of the system, they can be easily distracted by the minor social issues and lose sight of what is really happening. The rich and the government, because they are one and the same, will fight to keep this system in place. Because slaves are easiest to keep when they do not know they are slaves.




Control Over Choices


The problem of social issues is that they can be used as a distraction.

The biggest problem of social democracy is that it distracts workers from the true problems. They do this by allowing “lively debate” between extremely similar viewpoints, on problems that are inconsequential. Then in the background they limit the ability to change the major issues.

There are many examples of this in the United States. Both Clinton and Trump would have attacked our privacy rights, gone to the same wars, given the rich more power, and deport millions of people. (Obama did all of these too.) There are a few “key” differences between the two parties. The Democrats are more favorable towards social rights, like gay marriage, and do everything more discretely. You never hear about how more people were deported under Obama than any president before him. The small differences, which is all the media talks about in regard to politics, is enough to distract the people from the true issues. This is done through with the help of the “lesser of two evils” mindset.




Proof of Power


Until now I have provided little evidence of how the rich actually controls the candidates for election. The idea is that if you don’t like anybody who is running, you can just run yourself. There are multiple problems with this. The rich have far more power over the media and how the voting takes place, this allows them to delude the workers.

The media keeps this power structure in place through multiple methods itself. Firstly it deludes the workers into the lesser of two evils mindset, it makes it completely ignores smaller candidates, and it is a prime channel for propaganda. The lesser of two evils mindset forces the worker into thinking he must vote for the lesser of two evils, because voting anybody else is a “wasted vote” and will allow the “greater evil” into power. Completely ignoring candidates from minor parties makes the worker think that they do not have a chance, which feeds into the lesser of two evils. Propaganda works in multiple ways. It tricks the worker into accepting the outcome and into thinking only about certain issues.

The rich also have power over the voting process, however this differences between countries and time periods. Given that my experience and knowledge is limited to the United States, I shall stick to that country. In order to get the party nomination one must win an election within the party. Many people sign up for this, but they are often ignored. Sometimes they are not even invited to debates, or when they are specific people are given an “advantage”. The ruling class selects certain people that it will help secure the nomination through the use of the media. The party itself is not part of the government, so its rules are subject to manipulation by the leaders, which again are controlled by the rich.

We can easily look at recent examples for this one. Bernie Sanders was far more highly supported candidate than both Hillary and Donald Trump. He loss can be at least partially attributed to unfair tactics in debate scheduling, the media, and some “lucky coin tosses” (literally lmao). Even though many people disliked Hillary, they still voted for her as the “lesser of two evils”. This reinforced that any “radical” changes to the system will be unlikely to win, which plays right into the lesser of two evils. Bernie Sanders himself only advocated small changes to the system, which would only slightly improve the lives of the workers. It would not fundamentally change the system in any way, the working class would still be slaves.




What Happens if a Socialist is Elected?


In some countries, like venezuela, a socialist has been elected to lead a capitalist country. They simply are not allowed to do anything. The ruling class has such a control over the economy that they can cause riots, food shortages, and anything else they want whenever they want. Then all they need to do is to blame the socialist that was elected.

This video explains it well.





Social democracy is a trap for the working class. It sounds nice on paper but in reality it's the opposite.



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How ironic, a wealthy Steem user who uses his Steem power to silence less wealthy people for making posts he disagrees with, making posts critical of the control of the rich. https://steemit.com/politics/@jjyeshua/democracy-is-communism-in-disguise

it shows you the failures within your own system. Remember the only way to beat nazis is to kill them or silence them

I also find it interesting you find no issue with taking rewards from the entire community to enrich yourself, with almost 75% of your voting power going to yourself: https://steemit.com/statistics/@calamus056/self-voting-user-list-since-hf19

Nope, you just abuse it in an extremely hypocritical fashion.

not really. My goal is to push people to socialism, and rising up against me to stop me profiting without work is socialist.

nice try tho

There is no trying, it is a fact proven by the digital logs of your self serving action and your contradictory speech against similar action. Also by your logic that would make me more Socialist than you.

"If I gave away my car, I would feel even more guilty. When I go to visit peasants in southern Colombia, they don't want me to give up my car. They want me to help them. Suppose I gave up material things -- my computer, my car and so on -- and went to live on a hill in Montana where I grew my own food. Would that help anyone? No." - Noam Chomsky

"Also by your logic that would make me more Socialist than you."

Yeah you are arguing against a person taking resources from the collective without doing effort.

That is socialism in a nutshell. Congrats

Also Kropotkin was literally a prince

Ah, I see. It is not hypocrisy in violating your own supposed belief system, it is because you "beat the system". Do as I say and not as I do. Capitalism = Nazism. Got it.

I am taking it from the capitalists and giving it to the workers. I am showing how the rich can abuse the system, its a term called accelerationism

the nazis were capitalist

Yes, I am sure you are taking collectively from the actual producers on the Steem system and distributing it equitably to "the workers". Of course let us ignore the zero evidence of this.

Actually Hitler was the leader of The National SOCIALIST German Workers Party... but feel free to leave out what is inconvenient to your argument and highlight what serves your rhetoric.

ew a fucking retard

they called themselves socialist to trick the retards of the time into supporting them.

Kind of like how you call yourself a supporter of Communism while extracting personal profits from the actual producers in the Steem economy? There seems to be a common theme of Communists and Socialists not actually practicing the ideals they preach.

accelerationism I already told you lmao

yet again the majority of this money will go towards supporting communism

"There seems to be a common theme of Communists and Socialists not actually practicing the ideals they preach."

you can't have a revolution without weapons

Actually Hitler was the leader of The National SOCIALIST German Workers Party... but feel free to leave out what is inconvenient to your argument and highlight what serves your rhetoric.

And Kim Jong-un is the leader of the DEMOCRATIC Peoples REPUBLIC of Korea. Are you saying that makes North Korea a democratic republic? If not, then why the on earth would you think that the Nazis were socialist? Was it the support they got from the big banks and companies in the US that led you to that conclusion?

Of course it couldn't be that Communism/Socialism are simply tools for these bankers and people like you and @anarchyhasnogods lap up their propaganda and serve them like the good useful idiots you are. Of course not. Its funny how every example of Communism is never "real Communism" because the end result is so horrible, yet you have no problem pointing at the elite backing of these movements as if it is evidence of the faults of Capitalism while totally giving Communism a pass because of course "its not REAL Communism". I don't like those banker cunts either. The difference between you and me is I don't believe in the utopian fairy tales they sell Communists in order to be able to strip entire nations of their wealth just to later claim it was all Capitalism's fault.

Yep, all those states are clearly examples of a stateless, classless, egalitarian society.

Do you want to know what communism means to me - a person living in the UK in the 21st century? It means automated labour, followed by UBI, followed by living in Matrix like VR using brain-computer interfaces, followed by becoming a synthetic entity living in orbit around the Sun.

I don't want to destroy capitalism and i have no need to. I would like to see it made more fair though for it's final few decades. Like Marx said, capitalism is necessary to build up the material conditions and will produce it's own grave diggers. As long as we keep making technological progress, the transition from capitalism to communism is inevitable and will occur within the next few decades as society completes its transition from physical to virtual.

If you want to debate this with me, you're going to need to update your stale 20th century propaganda.

Great work. Followed you for more!

Interesting, although I don't necessarily agree entirely.

What do you think about a futarchy society?

after a quick search it looks like a bad idea. Again the rich within that society would be able to control and manipulate the markets. A simple democracy would work the best.

Well those suffer from tyranny of the majority.

A democratic system does not always put the right people behind the right decisions.

Well the rich will have larger financial stakes to lose if they do manipulate those markets.

A system like this would be powered by the people. Rich would only be rich through consensus.

uhhhh there is a lot wrong with that one. First of all "tyranny of the majority" is nowhere near as bad as tyranny of the minority.

That just means they will work harder at it, and it will be even more concentrated.

Unless there is no private property they would not be. Again once somebody gains enough power the will of the majority has no effect.

to me it sounds just like social democracy, but is even more blatant about it.

In a free market the only thing that's free is the market.

I actually agree

also again a government run on prediction markets would suffer from "tyranny of the majority" but the majority of the money, and based on the perceived votes

Not if the money and markets were run by the decenteralized people.

I can't tell, are you an anarchist?

so you are talking about technological market socialism? Normal market socialism doesn't work well.

I am an anarchist. As with all real anarchists I understand private property is unjustified hierarchy, to quote the first self-proclaimed anarchist: "property is theft".

This means I am anti-capitalist. "anarchist capitalist" is an oxymoron, don't let the "anarchists" you meet on here fool you.

Definitely not socialism. Some democratic properties, a lot of vigilantism - not much socialism.

I have been putting my views together recently but I think there is new types of social structure that can be enabled by the cordination tech blockchain brings us.

Sorry, anarchists sometimes get confusing, how do you feel about private property?

Lol ancaps

"private property is theft"

the workers mine the ore, shape it, build the parts, move the parts, build the factories, and wok in them. The rich just manipulate capital

actually it wouldn't be socialism if the "users" had a stake in it based on their worth, it would just be direct tyranny of the rich

and we all are trapped by this system in whole world.. to uproot this system it will take complete revolution , which can be scary

the scariest thing is what will happen if we keep the system in place

Big State always means less freedom to the citizens. A society only thrives to its maximum potential when the citizens have social, economical and political freedoms, all of them together. They are inseparable.

oh so you're another ancom I see

Upvoted & RESTEEMED! :)

"They simply are not allowed to do anything. The ruling class has such a control over the economy that they can cause riots, food shortages, and anything else they want whenever they want. Then all they need to do is to blame the socialist that was elected."

In my humble opinion good sir.

The reason Venezuela is in the state that it's in is because the oil prices went down.
Their economy is mostly reliant in the oil business.

Because the country is almost communist they do not let private business to flourish thus stopping the diversification of their economy.

The socialist state of Venezuela, is in a sense almost a dictatorship since they shutdown opposition not allowing for proper democratic elections.

No one but the socialists are the ruling class in that country, and this is exactly the problem with Venezuela.

it is majority private industry. Communism is where the workers directly control the means of production themselves. You lack even a fundamental understanding of the economic system you are trying to debate.

"No one but the socialists are the ruling class in that country, and this is exactly the problem with Venezuela."

wrong, socialists can not be ruling class. Socialism is where the workers yet again, democratically control the means of production and gain what they produce. Private property and socialism are incompatible, you are stupid.

"Communism is where the workers directly control the means of production" That's naive, there's always a big brother on communist states. Like in Venezuela, the socialist big brothers own the businesses. The opposite is capitalism where privately owned businesses flourish.

that's actually autistic

What's autistic is actually believing this insanity: "They simply are not allowed to do anything. The ruling class has such a control over the economy that they can cause riots, food shortages, and anything else they want whenever they want. Then all they need to do is to blame the socialist that was elected.".

The ruling class are the socials in the government and no one else.

uhhhh just watch the video lmao

it is majority private industry, the government is not the one paying people to riot and they are not the ones with the history of paying people to stop food production and transport.

yes, and Venezuela is literally majority privately owned businesses lmao retard.

I defined communism correctly, you just think us cold war propaganda is always correct lmao.

this explains why ven is not socialist

m8 I literally posted it 20 seconds before you made the comment, at least try.

this bots haha.

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