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RE: The Problems of Social Democracy
"Without private property owners there would be no cordination or MODERN civilization."
wrong. Many societies have worked without private property in the modern world. I actually have no examples of them doing worse under socialism lmao.
"The owner has the skills and connections to organize a massive number of workers and cordinate something that is worth much more as a sum of the workers together than any of them would be worth individually."
uhhhh but the workers themselves actually do this better. Nice try tho
Haha I see your point with socialism, although I'm not entirely convinced we have seen true socialism working for long enough to evaluate.
I don't see workers being able to come together and do silicon manufacturing or bioscience research. The knowlage is just spread too thin.
What I really think will happen that goes along with more of your views is coordination technology (blockchain + un-censored communication + consensus protocols) will allow just the people to cordinate in a way that is required for the hi-tech sectors I mention. This is just yet to be seen. Years away.
"I don't see workers being able to come together and do silicon manufacturing or bioscience research. The knowlage is just spread too thin."
the first mobile phone was invented in soviet russia
Lol that is not much of a point.
The transistor was invented at Bell Labs and pretty much all innovation of that scale happened in these large scale research organizations.
Not saying that socialism can't organize cordination to make things. Just saying that you need the organization to make anything. Once you have organization you can't have everyone own all the products of their labor.
"Once you have organization you can't have everyone own all the products of their labor."
There is no reason that is not possible lmao
So for IC (integrated circuit) production, how would that work for all the tens of thousands of people it takes to produce just 1 chip?
yeah, they can just work on it together
Okay but how does that work for each worker taking what they make?
the value of services is hard to objectively measure. Often it is decided upon by those who use it or benefit from it. In this case it would be all of that society
"Haha I see your point with socialism, although I'm not entirely convinced we have seen true socialism working for long enough to evaluate."
capitalism hasn't existed for very long either.
I don't think we have seen true free market capitalism, I agree.
true "free market capitalism" is impossible.
all that is possible is oppression by the rich.
I disagree.
That is often the outcome though.