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RE: DEISM = ATHEISM

in #ethics4 years ago (edited)

If you assume there is no god, you do so without knowing everything which means you could be wrong.

We can posit any god you like as an AXIOM. HOWEver, your (any) god is functionally indistinguishable from NO-god.

You could be right and you can be wrong.

You are only "right" or "wrong" when verifiable facts are revealed.

Up to and until that point, you're merely entertaining a hypothesis.

So, people who say there is no god are making statements they cannot prove.

Your god is functionally indistinguishable from NO-god. There is nothing to "prove".

You may wish there was no god. But there is a god. But you choose to reject Christ from your life.

You may wish there was no Santa Claus. But there is a Santa Claus. But you choose to reject Santa Claus from your life.

Why do you hate Santa Claus so much?

You have no idea what you are missing. Children have faith (in Santa Claus). It seems that you lost your inner faith in eternal principles. Life is full choices. So, as we grow, our trust level can change if we let it in either direction in a variety of ways.

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Santa:

We can talk about Santa. We can talk about history. People can believe in what they want to believe in. When we talk about Santa, we can talk about different versions to his story and then we can talk about source materials for Saint Nick and/or others.

God

We can do the same thing with God by tracing back the story of the fictional and/or non-fictional character and/or creator through history. We can look at how cultures from all around the world would pass on their own version of some kind of world flood.

Origin

What I would ask you is where do we come from. Was it evolution via the big bang and/or creation through some kind of creator and/or other things?

We can look at how cultures from all around the world would pass on their own version of some kind of world flood.

Are you suggesting you believe in Gilgamesh (flood story predates Abraham's account by a wide margin)?

Why would you deny reality? When you say Abraham's account, what do you mean? What did Abraham do? Do you mean Moses who may have wrote the first five books of the Bible? It is said that these books or scrolls were based on other scrolls that were written by other people, some even before the birth of Moses and some before Noah's Flood.

So why don’t scholars agree?

There are passages in Genesis that Moses could not have written, because they describe events that happened after his death, known as postmosaica passages. And there are others that would simply be awkward for Moses to write, which are referred to as amosaica (such as Numbers 12:4). If these passages were added later, how do we know what Moses did and didn’t write? **

I mention Abraham because, chronologically, Abraham predates Moses significantly. **

Abraham & Sarah (Journey to Canaan to Death) – 2091 BCE – 1991 BCE

Moses (Birth to Death) w/ Aaron and Miriam – 1525 bc – 1406 bc

The Epic of Gilgamesh dates back to 2100 BCE and is very interestingly from the same region that Abraham is reportedly a native (Ur Kaśdim, Mesopotamia). **

The final Pentateuch was based on existing traditions. In Ezekiel 33:24, written during the Babylonian Exile (i.e., in the first half of the 6th century BCE). **

So, the written account of Gilgamesh certainly predates the written Pentateuch.

The parallels between the stories of Enkidu/Shamhat and Adam/Eve have been long recognized by scholars. I find ancient books, scrolls, tablets, documents, text, etc, fascinating. I've not read the Epic of Gilgamesh before. You mentioned it. So, I skimmed over a translation of it. I should probably write more about these kinds of things in future posts.

Gilgamesh overview in 13 minutes,

I used to watch a lot of Crash Course. Oh, this must be a new video. I love these kinds of videos.

What I would ask you is where do we come from.

It is important to maintain a constant awareness of and vigilant respect of our epistemological limits. There is no reason to jump to any conclusions without hard evidence or logical necessity.

Was it evolution via the big bang and/or creation through some kind of creator and/or other things?

Look, even if everything was created by some "intelligent designer", that supposition alone provides zero support for any version of "YHWH".

It also provides zero support for any specific human moral framework.

DEISM (intelligent design) = ATHEISM

The two are functionally indistinguishable.

I don't disagree with you.

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