My Thoughts on Vitalik's Top 3 Criticism on EOS (비탈릭의 EOS 비판 3가지에 대한 생각)
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This post is a counter arguments on Vitalik's The Merkle article titled "Top 3 EOS Project Issues According to Vitalik Buterin"
3. EOS Fee Structure: BANDWIDTH SHARE VIA DELEGATION
This means users will need to buy a certain amount of tokens in order to spend them. This is an unnecessary exposure to volatility, according to Buterin.
Not everyone wants to spend hard-earned money on an unknown asset in order to use a blockchain. Even the people who want to use EOS just a handful of times will be needing to buy a lot of coins and sell them all later on, assuming the price has not collapsed.
Looking at Steem, we already have a great amount of users who were on board thanks to Steem Power delegation. This means a favorable big stakeholders who have lots of unused bandwidth can borrow some amount of the network usage right to new users. In this ways, new users can minimize volatility risks.
If a user decided to use EOS platform continuously, I think it is better than burying fees, which means 100% loss, to endure price fluctuation. For instance, given the current registration fee of $7.5, 75-time transactions on Steem makes the break-even to Ethereum's simple transfer (but smart contract transactions costs greater and therefore the break-even number would be much lower than 75).
2. 100,000 Transactions Per Second?: 3.7 VS. 9.3 TRANSACTIONS PER SECOND
While he is criticizing that 100k TPS is unrealistic dream, he'd better to look at current realistic numbers. Ethereum's all-time-high TPS is 3.7 (3176,788 txs per day), but Steem is over 9.3 TPS (over 800,000 txs per day). Look at the follow charts (be careful to read that y-axis numbers).
Regarding Merkle proofs, Dan answered in this post
1. DPOS is a Potential Issue: NOT PERFECT BUT IMPROVING
Brendan Blumer, the CEO of Block.one replied this specific issue on Medium post. As a witness of BitShares and Steem, I partially agree that DPOS does not always incentivise correct votes. However, I feel that voters are wise and thoughtful (while sometimes do not) so that they make correct vote collaboratively, and in the long-run.
But, as Brendan said, an open healthy debate will bring good ideas to improve both sides.
한글번역
영어로 먼저 쓰고 한글을 쓰려니 어색하네요 ^^; 전문번역보다는 나름대로 다시 풀어서 적겠습니다.
비탈릭의 3가지 비판 중 처음은 EOS 의 무료 수수료 구조입니다. 요약하자면 토큰을 락인(스팀파워 같이) 시키면 불필요한 가격변동성에 노출되는 단점이 있다는거죠. 여기에 대한 저의 비판은 첫째로 플랫폼을 지속적으로 쓰는 사람에게는 이 EOS나 스팀 방식이 더 좋다는 것입니다. 스팀 가입비가 현재 7.5불인데, 보팅이든 전송이든 글쓰기든 75번만 하면 이더리움 전송 수수료 0.1불을 기준으로 했을 때 본전치기 한다는거죠. 또한 스파 임대 등을 통해서 토큰을 구매하는 경우를 줄일 수도 있습니다. 이 부분은 다들 직접 경험하고 계시니 확 와닿으실꺼라고 생각합니다.
두번째는 초당 10만건 처리량에 대한 비판입니다. 아직은 꿈같은 얘기라는거죠. 근데 잠깐 현실을 들여다보면 이런 비판을 하는 이더리움은 3.7 TPS가 최고기록이고, 스팀은 9.3 TPS가 기록입니다. 이게 순간적인 값이 아니라 지금도9 TPS는 넘는 꾸준한 처리량입니다. 어차피 도토리 키재기인 셈이겠지만 그래도 비탈릭에게 이런 소리 들으니 괜히 억울하고 안타까운 기분이 듭니다.
마지막은 DPOS의 문제입니다. 요약하자면 투표 시스템으로는 블록 생산자가 바람직하게 행동하거나 투표자가 바람직하게 투표하는 인센티브를 많이 줄 수 없다는 얘기인데요, 저도 이러저러한 모습을 봐왔기 때문에 부분적으로는 동의합니다. 하지만 장기적으로 봤을 때 그래도 투표자들이 현명하고 바람직하게 투표를 하고 있다는 생각이 듭니다. The DAO가 안 망했으면 이더리움 모델하고 직접 비교를 할 수 있었을텐데 이더리움에 제대로 된 비교대상이 없어서 아쉽네요.
부족한 글 읽어주셔서 감사합니다 ^^
I've been out of the loop for a minute...what instigated this criticism from Buterin?
I think he was specifically asked about it.
I see. Thanks for letting me know. Was this over twitter? Or was it a forum? I'd like to readup a bit about it.
I believe these questions were asked live at a developer meetup of some kind. I'm sure someone has the video available, but I haven't seen it myself.
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Fees - I think it is hard to be too religious about the fee structure. There are many monetising models in the world, this is just one more. The market will figure that out, and it sees to work for Bitshares/Steem.
TPS - yeah any numbers are made up or guesses at this stage. That said, Butshares/steem have tested to 3300 TPS from memory. And the base technology has proven into the millions in a different context, when heavily optimised. We'll see.
DPOS - so - any system of governance is a "proxy" for the best solution, and for the perceived view of the community. Governance doesn't deliver mathematical results, which can confuse some. It isn't about the best, it's about coming up with a system that approximates a community's wishes and interests, and doesn't exhibit wild behaviour like forks and thefts. DPOS seems to do that, other systems might exist, but right now it's a lonely field.
Agreed. All systems have advantages or disadvantages depending on contexts and precise tweaks. I personally think V's criticisms are too religious, while we are looking for "street level" designs interacting with users.
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평소에 EOS에 대해서 유투브 동영상을 즐겨 찾아보는 편인데 EOS 프로젝트를 비판하는 동영상들이 꽤나 많더라구요 . 부디 댄라리머 , eos관계자들 , 그리고 한국의 개발자분들이 괴물코인을 만들어서 저들의 코를 납작하게 해주었으면 하는 개인적인 바램입니다 . 항상 응원합니다
건설적인 비판은 늘 환영이죠. 예전에 코스모스 재권씨가 DPOS 비판하던건 정말 훌륭했습니다. 반면에 이번 비판은 개인적으로는 별로 감흥이 없더라고요.