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RE: The Curation and Engagement Leagues 🏆 - STEEM prizes & steem-bounty available! 🎁

in #engagement6 years ago

Hey, @bashadow.

re: curation rewards for zero upvote

A trip down the rabbit hole, eh?

Just for the record, steemworld goes out to five decimals now, but you have to set it to that. I have mine set at four. For what it's worth, if you go to settings under the view tab, that's where you can change it. There are times where there is a value beyond the three decimals, but I couldn't tell you if that's happening in this particular instance. If they still have no value out to five, then that's a pretty big bug in my estimation.

re: RCs

I haven't seen a lot of it, mostly in comments, but there does appear to be a bubble around many who are of higher SP. And I'd say that even down into the 3000 SP range doesn't have to worry about it so much, maybe even less. I'm sitting at just over 4000, and I don't often see it drop below 100%.

There's supposed to be some RC changes made this week (version 20.6) that at least a few people think will help out. The fact they changed to 20.5 and even made it possible for low SP to function at all is a step in the right direction. The problem is, it's not the long term solution. There's supposed to be a meeting of the minds going on between the community, the witnesses and Steemit Inc, but if one has started, I've not been able to find any information on it yet, and so far, the couple of times I've asked about it has gone unanswered.

I have bounced back and forth on this issue about RCs. I'm sure I would be more frustrated about it if the limitations were happening to me, but I also believe I would still find it to be fair, in the sense that this all needs to be paid for somehow. Whether the current allocations or payment structure is fair or not, I think it definitely needs to be discussed and a solution arrived at, because there will be no growth without newcomers who don't have a lot to invest. At least not as far as the social side of the platform is concerned.

At the same time, I can't begrudge those who have invested in STEEM (I have, many have). I didn't do it for the RCs—had no idea that would even happen, let alone investing would help against it. I did it because I didn't want to leave dust votes. Funny how that works, isn't it?

I guess I'm kind of at a point now where I don't know what else to do but do what I can. I can't solve all the problems here. I'm not perfect at solving my own. i don't really trust that they will be solved, since i don't have a clear understanding of what the objective is regarding the social site, other than it apparently takes a backseat to blockchain development (which I'm okay with) SMTs (which I'm at best on the fence about but leaning to not so crazy about), and now Ned announces a whole new project based on Communities. So, lots going on, after months of nothing it seems like, and now we're in the consequences of the aftermath. We either go with it, or we don't. Not doing anything here doesn't really help those who are limited, and it doesn't really help us, either. That's basically where I'm at, while fighting off the funk that still wants to linger.

re: netcoins

I voted. I voted four times. I wasn't happy about giving up an email to do it, but it's a public email that I basically clear junk mail out of on a daily basis. I voted because unless netcoins is a total and complete sham, every little bit helps, since we have no marketing plan to speak of other than the youtube charlatans and a lot of negative press. I don't know that I saw it as a desperation move, just a chance for me personally to try to get STEEM more name recognition. I can understand you and everyone else not doing it—I also feel it's a shame that we can't ever seem to agree on what would be worth rallying around. If we can't get on board with smaller things, how in the world are we going to do it on the bigger things.

So, my two cents, for what it's worth. I don't know much about STEEMfests or what's come out of them, but if they're like other gatherings I've been to, there will be plenty of festivities, a lot of talk and morale boosting, and then everyone will go back to their lives and progress on anything there will be slow if not non-existent. Maybe STEEMfest is the exception. We can only hope. :)

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Ref netcoins I actually did vote, and used my spam email account to do it with, the one I just do not care about, 90% of the emails are spam anyways, so whats a few more. As to it helping steem price, we just have to wait and see.

About RC's good they are fixing it, It is for me still an issue with the steem policy of/philosophy on the welcome to steem.io page. How screwed and sideways are the witnesses on this issue? pretty sideways. A few of them have no clue how much a new users needs SP wise to be a normal everyday user of steemit and the steem blockchain. It does not take much only 50SP and you can make your recommended 10 daily votes, and ten comments, and a couple of post. When I first started on steemit this is what I was told you need to do to get anywhere only they recommended 4 post a day. I do not think I have ever been able to put out four post in one day, let alone I have only managed one post a day for 7 days in a row twice.

I looked at @ned's post, so even though he says he is still going to be ceo of steemit and the new company:

Some have asked, what will happen with Steemit? As this new app launches, which everyone will be invited to join, Steemit.com will continue to operate and serve Steemians.

I do not see steemit as having a very long life.

edit: I checked out to five spaces I did not know about the five decimals, but most of the votes are $0.00023-$0.00032 value, I don't know at what point the votes are rounded for dust, but these will get a person a curation reward. Not going to concern myself with it anymore.

re: Steemit

The app may not, if that's what you mean. It's functional enough, but if they decide not to support it anymore, there's still Busy, Steempeak (which I actually prefer for making posts), and the sugarsteem UI that theuxyeti has been working on for months now. And there's the others I've heard of but yet to use.

re: four posts, what it takes

I've never managed more than three in a day, and I can't say that they were some of my better posts, either. They were timely, I think, but not the kind where I took two or three hours to write and polish. At this stage, I'm lucky to get one a day out because I'm trying to comment as much as I do.

And the reason for that is, before I joined the engagement league, I was ready to give up. This was way back toward the end of March. Things just weren't happening, and I was basically blaming it on STEEM. Then I joined and saw what others were doing and suddenly realized, I wasn't dong hardly anything. The bar was higher than what I thought it was.

So, I agree totally with your assessment. 10 comments or whatever it is a day is not enough for a new user who really wants to get going here. Posts aren't going to make any difference if no one knows you're here, and the only way they know you are (without buying votes) is to go out and comment. And comment more into the 20-30 comments daily range, minimum. I really didn't start seeing progress until I hit the 50-60 comments a day.

That part definitely needs to be shored up. I don't know what the proper ratio would be, but a flat tax (for lack of a better term) would seem to be appropriate. Those of us with more RCs would pay more and those of us with less would pay less. The question is, with so many newcomers and so few Minnows on up in comparison, what's going to be the proper ratio, and just how can roughly 15% of the community help support the other 85%? Especially when Steemit holds the largest stakes in at least three different accounts, if not four, and that's not including ned's own personal account.

And that's the ratio now. If we don't have more stake coming in along with those starting out with nothing, that ratio is going to change very quickly, or else inactivity is going to continue at high rates.

re: netcoins.

Sorry. Didn't mean to imply you didn't if you did. It sounded like you weren't happy with the whole idea. I know I wasn't thrilled with giving them an email, either, but like you, I gave them an email that only use for online signups of some kind.

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