Are women who dress provocatively responsible for unwanted attention, or should men learn to control themselves? The @ecotrain question of the week

It goes without saying I think but just in case, I believe there is no justification for using force against anyone at anytime except in self-defense. There is literally nothing a woman could do (that I can think of) that could logically be rationalized as justification for the use of force against her as long as she is not initiating the force.

Anyone else think it's a bit odd that after all the years of our existence, men and women still can't get along, understand each other, or even talk openly. I think that it's by design, a topic for another time.

I just want to raise my hand up and say, "let's talk this out, let's listen and understand each other in an atmosphere of good will and respect. First order of business is to state some truths and discuss how to deal with them. Let's put our critical thinking hats on and logic it out.

As a man, it's a bit embarrassing to bring this up but you do realize that in almost every species, the males are literally killing each other over the females. Females are a very big deal naturally from the male perspective. To ignore this basic fact of nature is not dealing with reality.

Suppose a guy throws on all his gold jewelry and takes a walk on the southside of Chicago. Does he not have every right to wear whatever he wants. Of course he has that freedom. Is ignoring the reality of his situation going to serve him well? Does he have no responsibility for his actions, are they of no consequence or do they have a direct bearing on what is about to befall him?

When a woman dresses to be noticed, common sense says that it's probably not just everyone's attention that she'd like. Does that mean the men are supposed to know which of them are permitted to look and who falls in the category of unwanted attention?

My wife and I (21 years of faithful marriage) were at the zoo and I was waiting for her outside the restroom which was down the hall a ways and around a corner, never saw the entrance, when a woman came around the corner. She was beautiful and she had breasts that would put Dolly Pardon to shame. It was freakish. Everyone was looking, she was smiling, and I couldn't look away, she laughed. Then my wife came back and asked if I had seen her. I said, "you're kidding, right? No denying that unless I was struck with blindness.

Then there was the time I was driving a tractor trailer down a country road in Wisconsin when I came upon a farm where I saw a young lady riding a horse across a field. It was a scene from a movie dream. Her brown hair blowing in the wind behind her, she was so beautiful that I hit the brakes. She was smiling. I was wrecked. I didn't come to a complete stop before I got a grip though. I couldn't help being affected but there was nothing to be done, nothing that could be done.

I walked into a gas station to pay and straight ahead was the cashier, so beautiful, it caught me by surprise and took my breath away. I hesitated as I walked her way. There was no one in front of me and she saw my reaction. She said, "Oh, it's like that, is it? I was so embarrassed by it that I didn't speak or look up, just paid and left. I didn't go in there again for a long time.

Logically, it seems a kind thing, a respect of nature thing, for women to not drive random males crazy. Why do that? Of course, it's not like some women don't use nature against men to manipulate, gain some advantage at their expense. No secrets there either.

To me it's just about everyone being kinder and more considerate.

A man walks into a bar naked, the police are immediately called.
A woman walks into a bar naked and the crowd cheers.

This is not an equal playing field and women are not NPCs (non-player characters) ala @kennyskitchen

Women don't really have to do anything to get noticed, they just have to be there. Men are predisposed to notice. It's in their nature.

Men, control yourself! Women, have mercy!