thank you @sherylneil it is a sensitive subject because so many have a lot of faith in the medical profession and believe that they always do things in the patients best interest. It is not that long ago when all births took place outside of hospitals, so many mothers undergo so many interventions in hospital that it has a huge effect on the birth and the baby, those interventions cause distress for the baby and in the end they need more attention once born, it is such a viscous circle really. Most of the time in the hospital you are expected to birth within a certain time frame and when you don't then the interventions happen, their is a huge turn over of admissions in maternity wards.