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RE: Ass Backwards Political Peeps

in #economics7 years ago (edited)

I wish i could say i totally agree with you, or with him, for that matter, but the truth is it isn't so white and black. You made excellent refutations, of course, but for example even though it is possible millions get employed, it might also have those effects he purported.
Another thing I'm not quite clear about is, is it affirmative that they (disney) are doing this because of the tax-break or could it even be mere coincidence?
I know there's a valid argument behind 'taxation is theft' and you truly believe it, but growing up in a relatively communal society like i did, I don't think I've quite gotten to that conclusion yet.

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"but the truth is it isn't so white and black. You made excellent refutations, of course, but for example even though it is possible millions get employed, it might also have those effects he purported."

It's true that both factors can be at play. There's always a short-term consequence, like even freeing slaves for example would have some negative consequences, after the fact of economies being built around the injustice. But it's still better to free them and more good is done overall than if you continued the injustice.

So ya, it can be true that there's less money in the trough and this has some negative effects. But I'm really confident that it's outweighed by the positive effects (even if my refute was kind of reverse-simplistic and avoided getting into all that).

The right thing to do I would say IS very black and white -- that it's not correct to take things that don't belong to you -- but ya it plays out in a way that isn't perfectly smooth for everyone.

(And remember it won't be smooth for everyone either way. I.e. for families who lose their jobs or are never hired because of the artificial weight put on companies when the tax is higher. So neither path means that no one anywhere gets hurt.)

"Another thing I'm not quite clear about is, is it affirmative that they (disney) are doing this because of the tax-break or could it even be mere coincidence?"

Definitely could be coincidence. I have no idea, and was just working with that person's assumption that it has something to do with the tax break. Good question.

"I know there's a valid argument behind 'taxation is theft' and you truly believe it, but growing up in a relatively communal society like i did, I don't think I've quite gotten to that conclusion yet."

I generally just try to zoom out and just think about people doing things. If you forget about terms like 'taxation' and all the hoopla that goes into a nation's legal process, it seems pretty clear that "these people" are taking things from "those people", right?

Or even forget about the term 'theft'. Would you agree it's an act of hierarchy (backed by the threat of violence and punishment) that interferes with a person's chosen course of action?


Thanks for your questions and feedback.

Thanks so much for the long and detailed reply. You have no idea just how much I appreciate this.

You know, even though the year is 2018, a time which--thankfully--we have a lot of media types allowing us to sort of take our faiths into our own hands, it's still amazing how much control the mainstream medias have over our thoughts. All I've been hearing and reading about the tax-breaks is how terrible it is, and how it'll only make the rich richer; it's really really refreshing to get a nice contrary perception like yours.

Would you agree it's an act of hierarchy (backed by the threat of violence and punishment) that interferes with a person's chosen course of action?

It definitely is this, and this definitely is wrong.

I really hope it plays out to the best possible outcome, i.e more jobs, more investments, and most importantly, more freedom!

Once again huge thanks for the reply. Appreciated.

That's awesome!!! Appreciate your feedback and curiosity too.

The situation with the tax breaks is weird because large corporations DO, imo, receive a lot of advantages from the government. (Could get into what those are, in another post or something.)

So I mean, I get the general distaste for large corporations. But I believe the solution is to cut those advantages. As played, I don't think it helps to tax them more.

Or another way to look at it is kind of like:

In a more perfect world, smaller "mom and pop" style businesses (smaller more decentralized entrepreneurial endeavors) would be able to succeed more. So these would provide most of the jobs and the products we need.

In the world we have now, where it's slanted it to favor the large corporations (that sucks, but), it's even worse to hinder their ability to provide the jobs and products we need.

I'd like to hurt the large multinational corporations at the root of where they're given competitive advantages by the government. Taxing them is just trying to manage a symptom and seems to do no good for anyone.

Whao. This is so true. We all wish for smaller more decentralized business outlets, but it is slanted to the favor of the large corporations; that's how it is. Instead it of making it worse we could make the best of it. Gotten!

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