ECCO - An instant on/off ultrasonically fluidised dusty plasma New Fire reactor

2 months ago
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It is with pleasure that we announce that the MFMP has been invited to openly test a claimed working New Fire reactor technology

No restrictions on our access.
When confirmed, claimant will make technology open.
This will make this the first fully described / open working New Fire technology in this epoch.

In brief

The "ECCO" reactor currently uses 8 alumina tube reactors driven independently to allow scaling of output power from around 1kW to over 8kW

  • Current fuel: Ultrasonic processing of powders in light water for about 200 hours is then finished by pyrolysis
  • 3 Ultrasonic transducers @ 19.46kHz & 1.5kW each for a total of 4.5kW
  • Current fuel: Ti, TiH2, Ni, Al, LiOH, C, K2CO3
  • Core reactor is standard extruded alumina cylinder
  • Reactors in second steel sheath
  • Starting status: Initial vacuum in cell
  • Through fuel discharge provided by thoriated tungsten welding electrodes
  • Fuel held in place by Nickel foil formed into a plug in to which the needle point of the electrodes passes
  • Pure nickel foil made by plating from Nickel Sulphate onto steel using hydrogen plasma and ultrasonically de-laminating it
  • Fuel not tightly packed, 22mm active zone in Al2O3 tube with 1.6g of fuel occupying <1/3 available space
  • 1 MHz non-symmetrical waveform (fast rise, slow fall) pulsed DC discharge provided by MOSFETs through fuel
  • 2000 - 2400V discharge potential set to prevent spark
  • Approximately 100W applied in non-spark discharge
  • Ultrasonic vibration at same 1MHz applied to fuelled zone in tube in order to fluidise the fuel components
  • Between 15-30W used for the ultrasonic fluidisation
  • Peak input power is approximately 1kW
  • Core temperature (external of ceramic) 1100ºC using S-type thermocouple
  • Tested for 3 months in accumulated on time, only 2-3% output variation during that time
  • Heat exchanger enables transfer of heat to water which is heated to 101ºC
  • Instantly stops reaction when turned off
  • Water heated to boiling inside 5 mins of turn on
  • Claimant used his, his partners and his teams expertise alongside publicly available discussions on the New Fire
  • Reactor was arrived at by informed trial and error without specific theory consideration
  • Many areas identified for improvement and now from a theoretical basis
  • Good fuel testing platform
  • Makes a lot of cups of tea

How it was discovered

Suhas introduces himself and describes how he came to look for the New Fire

Technical discussions on SoundCloud

Part one
Part two
Part three
Part four

Fuel Processing

Fuel is processed in a chamber with the following design
Fuel_Processor_chamber_drawing.jpg
3 resonant ultrasonic horns are attached to the above block with the following parameters: 19.4kHz & 1.5kW each for a total of 4.5kW. The X/Y arrangement of the high energy ultrasonics reduces the fuel components in a light water solution over 10s of hours from off the shelf powder sizes of 80-100um to 1-3um. At the same time the fuel components are cleaned. In addition, there will be cavitation resulting in potential charge cluster effects and nano bubble formation.

Overview of fuel processor

Uncapped fuel processor in operation

Fuel composition, processing time, reactor core form and fuelling

The reactor in operation

5 mins to get to operating temperature from 28ºC line water temperature

COP 8

Close-up on steam


Water droplets are apparently due to partial condensation in metal pipe exposed to 35ºC air - to be verified by lagging pipe

101ºC - Steam quality

Summary discussion

Next steps

We need to get a team and equipment to India as soon as possible to verify this technology and document it fully. MFMP team members have expressed that they could put time aside to do this, but it will take more than just time and shipping of equipment. We must be completely independent testers, with no strings attached and also ensure that the Indian is not compromised by those wanting to 'help'. This is a critical moment in the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project's history. Your support has helped get us here - this may well be the home straight.

The work of all the citizen researchers out there have helped the Indian make this technology embodiment and you can see how frank he is about that in discussions. You can all pat yourself on the back for being a part of lighting the New Fire together.

What we need to do to ensure independent evaluation

  • Raise money for duplicate production
  • Raise money for testing team to participate in verification
  • Ideally secure an SEM/EDX to do fuel / ash analysis without having to wait on or rely on the data from, third parties.

For those interested in an open working New Fire reactor becoming available, please consider a donation here:
MFMP Donation page

The project looses 4.5% on Paypal donations, so for those that can do a direct bank transfer, donations of any size can be made direct to Quantum Heat C.I.C.s (the organisation that runs the MFMP) bank account here, thus saving charges:

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Alternatively there is a US 501.c3 that also supports the goals of the MFMP, you can request information on how to contribute by that route by writing an email to m.fleischmann.memorial@gmail.com

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  ·  2 months ago

Ultrasonic 1MHz are you sure? or did I misread?

19.4Khz for processing fuels

1MHz phonon sound and 1MHz asymmetric 2000-2400V pulse for non-spark discharge in active reactor

8MHz is normally used in the gynaecological field

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Amazing, and interesting. A dusty plasma is a smart way to go--like a bridge between "normal" (solid state) LENR and Hot Fusion. Very much looking forward to see what you guys find! Exciting times!

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It is a great and scaleable design and allows for relatively rapid testing of fuels (since, in theory it actually works). Now there is a good understanding of the underlying process there are several approaches that can be taken. For instance, replace the Titanium Hydride with Titanium Deuteride to enable DD fusion or add a little xenon to potentially increase the propensity for charge cluster (heavy electron) formation.

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Isn't this all extremely complex?
Not really, there are two components - one, fuel preparation... on the face of it, it is about getting the particles from 80-100um to 2-3um - however there will be cleaning. Also, since there is cavitation, there may be heavy electrons formed and also potentially hydrogen species ad/absorbed into the processed powders.

Maybe MFMP will show a drawing of the reactor?
Will look to do this

Is there a procedure to prepare the fuel?
Detailed essentially in the sound cloud interview and videos above.

How exactly the reactor is started and stopped?
The 1MHz frequency generator is switched on or off and applied via MOSFET driver to 1-8 cores depending on desired power output.

Are any further initial steps needed to start?
As said above, a vacuum is initially applied.

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Does the reactor gets an input of ~1KW and the output is ~1KW and with the frequency it is ~1.015 KW and ~8KW out?

The input is in 1-8 quanta of 115-135W and the output is around 8 times that.

The Indian said in the technical interview, that he has not tried to turn off the 1MHz plasma / ultrasonics individually, but will try.

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Ultrasonics easily make mist. Is it mist or steam?

It was steam for sure. very high exit velocity also, the misters just seem to drift.

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There seems to be both hydrogen and oxygen inside the fuel load

Yes - but the Al was added to getter water (and hence O2) out of play.

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Because the reaction starts up instantly, this implies that the LENR active nanoparticles have already been formed in the fuel preparation process...that being 200 hours of cavitation in light water.

There was only 2-3% fluctuation over 3 months. Not likely persistent for that period. The cavitation in light water may be important though - a test with similar sized particles produced differently would clear this up.

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Does the fuel get wet? Have chemical reactions been ruled out?

Fuel is dry, 1.6g in each 22mm long small diameter core of 8. Tested for 90 days with approx. 8X gain.

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Hi Bob;
I’m trying to get my head around the hardware pieces but I’m clearly missing something. I think I have a bit of understanding of the “fuel processor”. but I have some confusion about what goes on top of the “processor”. Is it a cap of some sort? Another transducer and tube? He talked about water flow at some point when pointing at the holes around the opening where the fuel slug and heater slug go.

The drawing you posted doesn’t really match the stainless cube at the focus of the transducers, so I haven’t fired up my milling machine yet… ;-)

Does this “processor” assembly have anything to do with the reactor portion? You talk about the water supply as being ambient temp and pressure but I haven’t seen any coolant piping except where the steam exits. I wish you had followed that steam line to the reactor. In fact from the “water tap” to the steam exit.

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It can be either a cap or another ultrasonic horn... this would allow 6kW input power - but this was not used.

The holes are for water cooling.

The drawing is for an updated version. The date you can see on it is very recent.

As I understand it, this is only the fuel processor.

A relationship needed to be built before the unmasking. Suhas is on board now.

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Depending on testing teams times and funding, we may test the ECCO before testing me356 reactor.

The reaction chamber is dry and starts in a vacuum, there is no cavitation in the working reactor. There is cavitation in the fuel processing phase.

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Is the hydrogen continously supplied to the reactor or is it "sealed" when the desired hydrogen pressure is reached, so that no new hydrogen can enter the reaction vessel?

No continuos supply. Hydrogen evolves from Titanium Hydride powder in the fuel mix and there may be some in the elements ad/absorbed as part of the cavitation processing. no new hydrogen can get in in this reactors current design.

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Thankyou for the generosity of all those that have donated.

We have already received $26,425 in donations.

The estimated costs of the tests at this stage are $8000 for ECCO and $4000 for me356 (name of reactor TBA). Buy doing them back to back we may be able to make some significant logistical savings.

Suhas is aiming to come back with the cost of making a backup ECCO reactor Wednesday.

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So what do you think are the key differences between this experiment and the others that were run with MFMP.
In those there was no verified COP greater than 1.5 and this claims a COP of 8, why do you think this works?
I appreciate all the hard work.

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Firstly, Suhas had absolutely no reason to waste time showing something that he knew to be a waste of time. Also, when someone says they are open to being evaluated without restriction and to make the technology open - one has to pay attention.

Suhas is 74, mature people of his engineering calibre and lucidity of mind tend not to lie about what they are doing. Also, he asked and asks for no money.

What was interesting that after accepting the notion of the importance of producing heavy Electrons (such as muons) and coupling to the structure of the physical vacuum (tetrahedral with octahedral interstitial spaces), this naturally leads to thinking what would be the paths of least resistance to achieve this.

  1. Tetra-hedral structures (like Titanium Hydride, Stibine or [AlH4] )
  2. Elements with low ionisation energy (Xenon or Potassium)
  3. Metals with high conductivity (Aluminium, Gold, Copper, Silver)
  4. Metals with favourable oxidation / shell configurations (Titanium, Chromium, Iron, Nickel)

You start to see the elements that are chosen in claimed high COP New Fire embodiments just as a matter of course.

Combine this with Stoyan Sarg's "Heterodyne resonant mechanism" approach to getting an atoms electron into a state that can interact with the 10^20 structure of the physical vacuum. Essentially, put it into the Rydberg state and electromagnetically stress it in this state.

This leads you to want glow discharges (to not fully ionise your easy to ionise elements and hence have more atom species in the Rydberg state) and then 'charge them up'.

A leap was to say that if heavy electrons (like muons) can replace electrons in Deuterium - why can they not in any element? The evidence is that they can in fact - and this comes from John Hutchinson. Moreover, Clean Planet patent
relies on production on non-specified energy 'heavy electrons'.

Non-detailed evidence from Kenneth Shoulders and even within videos of John Hutchinson show that heavy electrons (or EVOs in KS parlance) are readily stored in Metals. Since metals can conduct electrons, why not Heavy electrons? The on and off cycles of Rossi's E-Cat is explained by needing to build up EVOs.

Transmutation, direct electricity, light, intense magnetism, strange radiation, anti-gravity, muon releases, propulsion, radiation shielding and more are all explained by EVOs.

We had discussed fluidising fuel with phonons years ago - however we never had the expertise. Suhas did and used it.

Our normal experiments rely on thermal production of EVOs and are limited to metal stress relief cracking or structure discharges to produces low level EVOs.

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Hi guys,
Is there any radiation (alpha, beta, gamma) emerging when the reactor is in operation? Or has all of that yet to be detected and measured accurately?

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They have no radiation detection equipment. You can hear in the technical discussion on sound cloud, that Suhas has worked with cavitation and plasma and ultrasonics all his life and he has had no problem - still - he only has allowed 4 people to enter the reactor room as a precaution. He is one of the four. I have asked him to make the inners open to enable radiation monitoring to be done with as little shielding as possible as well as with the casing and insulation on.

He was asked if anyone had been sick or suffered memory issues - and he said no.

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The sound cloud recordings are difficult to follow and to understand (because of sound quality issue). I am entirely new to Steemit and not familiar with it at all. However, I do understand why you are using it to create a permanent non-editable record of your experiments and the results.

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Perhaps someone in the crowd could attempt a transcript. Failing that, we might get round to it at some point. Key points were pulled out.

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Do you think it is possible that it is hydrino reaction? Are you planning to try to verify that?

I think it is possible that the so-called hydrino reaction is in fact a heavy electron species that shrinks the scale of a hydrogen atom/molecule just like a Muon shrinks DD to allow fusion at room temperature.

The SunCell uses Silver - fourth most conductive metal - check. It has Argon 97% and 3% Hydrogen in the jacket - ok, least best noble gas to ionise, but not really an issue given the massive discharge, it is also cheap - most important it will not react. Hydrogen diffuses in. The arc strike from the pulsed super capacitors will create EVOs (heavy electrons / charge clusters) of various sizes, regardless of intention. It will also split Hydrogen. We know from Shoulders and Hutchinson that EVOs go easily into metals and muons go into Deuterons. Piantelli says Protium will not fuse - so perhaps this is the secret... EVOs will go into the silver atoms, EVOs can be made to glow/emit light.

This is a very quick inference summary from all the data.

25
  ·  2 months ago

This is a huge, generous breakthrough by Dr. Suhas.
Please pass on our congratulations from California from someone who has work on facilitating "Cold Fusion" development for 28 years.

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49
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For sure we will. If you have any questions you would like him to address, we will have another technical interview with him tomorrow. Please post them here.

It is so wonderful that a practical technology may come from India since they need this so much.

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On your end, if validation of this system is your short term goal, I would request Dr. Suhas to follow the criteria that SRI has established for "LENR" validation (I paraphrase):
On demand on/off control.
Consistent results from identical, separate and complete systems.
Moveable system, can be tested in different, independent labs.
System components manufactured to the identical written specifications.

Dr. Suhas has the burden of validating his calorimetry. As you may have noticed lately, this can be a serious bone of contention. The expert in this area is Dr. Fran Tanzella at SRI. No doubt Dr. Tanzella has a colleague in India that is equally as competent as he is in validating calorimetry measurement setup and data collection. Finding this expert is a good place to start your validation efforts.

I would ask Dr. Suhas to verify that the materials and components he uses are not only well-documented, but also commercially available (I believe that this looks to be the case from what I have seen in the videos). Dr. James A. Patterson got bitten by this problem by having only a single European supplier for the porous nickel coating he used in his Patterson Power Cell. When the supplier when out-of-business, the nickel power could not be reproduced. Be careful to get full materials disclosure for replication purposes. And best of luck.

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Bob here, I have met Dr. Fran Tanzella several times and co-presented with him at Stanford in February. I agree he is an expert.

We are preparing an open document for comment about our validation approach. Anyone can comment and add their expertise, moreover, we will be publishing the testing as we go-so people will have an opportunity to apply their skill on the fly to ensure acceptable results.

The device already does on/off control. essentially with no (non-spark) discharge and no fluidisation ultrasonics (which undoubtedly also play particle resonant roles as well) the excess stops. The five minute lag is how long it takes to heat the 28ºC water to 101ºC. When turned off, there is some thermal time constant in the insulated mixed material cores - but essentially it is on/off.

We will look to convert to 48V DC measure the input power there and invert back to AC for supply to the reactor. As for the steam measurement there are a number of approaches here are selection being considered.

  1. Sparging into water
  2. Increasing water supply flow rate so never goes to steam
  3. Using a steam separator
  4. Using a flow rate meter after ensuring steam quality
    etc.

Suhas has a swap in module that is effectively a resistive heater. Given that the 8 cores draw little more than 1kW - using the resistive heater and putting 3kW in and seeing if there was any steam output would at least be a reasonable qualitative metric.

Suhas, has detailed the processing used to achieve the fuel. He did it this way because off the shelf powders were only available to him in the 80-100um range and he had a lot of ultrasonic horns and was not afraid to use them. We have identified supply of 20um powder for at least the Ni and this may reduce processing time significantly to get to the target 1-3um. It may be necessary to do some smashing and then pyrolysis to ensure clean and suitable surface morphology. Additionally the cavitation in the 19.4kHz 4.5kW particle smasher should create EVOs and these may store in the fuel components - so this processing may be more important than at first it seams. I think the above document and associated videos is already the most detailed publicly available description of a claimed high COP device in the history of LENR.

Suhas has provided samples of the foil and part processed Ti and a sample fuel mix and I am arranging with truly independent, never in the field of LENR, testers to get a good look at it.

We are trying to raise enough money for him to make a full off-site replica and he is to quote on that this evening. This will serve as a verification and a backup should people that pop up to 'help' not in fact be... how can we put it it... very helpful.

If the verification is satisfactory, we have at least one potential philanthropist lined up to fund 100 units and spread them preferentially to organisations that will conduct experiments under the LOS method. There can be many experts at this stage that can apply their expertise. It is not necessary to have an 8 core device, so this test device may just be a single core reactor and therefore far more portable.

Suhas never considered theory, he looked at what people were saying that claimed the best results and gave them credence, he followed open discussion on LENR and over a 2 year 6 day a week period heuristically iterated to ECCO. This is the power of ontological pursuit. The fact that his choices make logical sense is a real bonus. He solved the problems of Egely with ultrasonics, something we had discussed openly years ago but had no expertise to deliver - Suhas is clearly a master of ultrasound.

People with the wherewithall can immediately take the information above and start attempting replication - nothing of any real consequence is left out other than perhaps more detail on the coupling mechanism for the ultrasonics to the ceramic reactor cores - something that I will press for more detail on. There really is no reason to wait for even mid-level funded operations that have a reasonable level of competence.

Having said all that, even when verified and accepted - Dr. Suhas is clearly the expert that you would want to hire to design a manufacturing process in any country that would want to make these en-masse, he has decades of experience in designing for manufacture and large scale processing throughput.

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You have done a thorough job of planning your approach and probably gotten very little sleep in the process.
A couple of suggestions:

  1. Have multiple supply sources for the initial powders. The purity and other characteristics of the powders once they are reduced to the 1-3 micron range become critical. With multiple suppliers, if a failure occurs, you will not be "dead in your tracks" and can readily switch out the base materials.

  2. Determine and document the QC points that Dr. Suhas uses at each stage to very that the intermediate processes are complete and successful before moving on to the next step (these are the details inventors often leave out of their patents).

  3. Ask Dr. Suhas about the system and component failures have has had during the past 3 1/2 years (as well as recently) and how he overcame/protected his system from failing. This is important to help you avoid "surprises" along the way and insure your safety.
    And keep your "Cold Fusion"/LENR friends close, but keep you enemies closer. The "Cold Fusion"/LENR detractors have arguments to offer that need to be addressed right or wrong.

Last, I would encourage multiple measurement techniques to avoid measurement equipment calibration/setup issues and unforeseen problems.

This is a very exciting moment for the the future of the world. :)

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49
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He produces all his own powders and knows and can share the whole process.

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Bob, are they able to chirp the ultrasonic drive? Suhas says the particles have a range of sizes, so broadening the range of frequencies might bring to resonance a greater number of them.

If doing that does increase output, eventually it would be a good means to adjust output levels commensurate to a varying load. Avoids overheating.

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It is worth a try.

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BobG, please provide us the daily briefings about the progress. Thank you so much for your effort.

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Trying to do that. At the moment we are shooting for first half of may. Will release a working document in coming days.

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Great BobG, keep up the momentum.

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  ·  16 days ago

Goodluck to your team!
We also have a (cheap) free energy (gravity) project ongoing in India as a solution for rural areas.

25
  ·  2 months ago

May I request we re-write the article to remove 'the Indian' with his actual name. It seems disrespectful for a individual who may forever change to course of history.

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He asked to remain anonymous as much as is reasonably possible. He does not enjoy the limelight and wants to focus his energies on getting the technology released if verified.

When these things are secure I am sure he will have less issues with being more public and we would welcome the opportunity to sing his name from the highest rooftops.