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not even a few years ago, the thought of creating a life out of writing blogs and short stories seemed impossible. Now it feels more possible than ever.
The reality of the job, across the board, rare is field personnel that are knowledgeable now than they were 30, 40, or 50 years ago. Skills that a j-man had to have then are now taken over by foremen (rarely), general foremen (many times), or detailers (more often; j-men, who usually handle the layout, the drawings, the print reading, the coordination with other trades etc, mostly on CAD). I'm a pipefitter detailer, in the office, doing CAD/BIM for a mechanical contractor. You're not a dummy, so make sure your trade challenges you as well. They might not challenge you mentally all the time. As a rule of thumb, the longer the apprenticeship, the more "skill" involved in the trade. Electricians, Plumbers/Pipefitters, Sheet Metal, off the top of my head are the only 5 year.
Challenges for me post college in the trade was more social & work-ethic related than job skills related. I set goals & silly rules for work that turned it into a game. One goal: Never miss a day of apprentice school. I also made sure not to purposefully work towards the highest GPA every year; if I got it fine, but I wasn't going to go out of my way to 100% every test, that was for social reasons. No one likes the class genius; I also helped any one at any time; if you ain't cheating you ain't trying. If the teacher left the room, I was sharing answers on tests. Silly rule: Never miss M or F, makes you look like a drunk, or the day after payday, never miss payday (Th where I worked often), don't miss Tue, it's the last day of the pay period. So that left Wed. Who needs to take Wed off?
All the trades residential is where we are weakest, & wages are lowest. F that shit. The flip side of that, there's usually not enough heavy industrial, or heavy commercial (not really a category, but unions do better building high rise towers and big commercial spaces than say strip malls and stores), in one place to keep you from having to travel sometimes in the trade. So finding a local union to join in an area with some pretty solid industrial base is key. That means industry; auto plants, refineries, power houses, high voltage transmission lines install and maintenance, Chip Fabs (Intel, Global Foundries [upstate NY is probably closest to you with a lot of Chip plants.]) Harder to break into in some regards, but not impossible especially in this day and age. I got credit on my apprentice application for every single math and science class I took in HS and college.
Q1. There are some really smart sparkies. It's a skilled trade. It faces the most non-union pressure of the skilled trades, IMO. If you go this route the high voltage & linesman sparkies are the most prestigious & safer for higher demand, unionism, and long term.
Plumbers: People are always going to shit & need clean H2O. It's however 2nd most non-union pressure. I'm from Vegas, and when they're building 4k rm hotels, our plumbers are busy af. When we crashed; they had to work to switch their classification to pipefitter or welder, b/c even working on the road for a plumber is a hard union job to find. Lots of them drove Uber & did sidework under the table in the home renovation market. Technically not allowed per union rules, but IMO if you're taking money from non union co. in a market, residential, that we don't compete in, that's good. And the union turns a blind eye anyways.
Pipefitters/Pipe Welders: Welding pipe will keep you working somewhere in USA. You'll be home more as well, as long as you can do it & maintain certs across many specialty alloys and joining methods. The diff. between being able to weld structural or even fabrication & welding pipe is stark. Welding is probably the last real skilled trade left. Technology has made every trade so much easier than it used to be. Pipefitting, which originally, every pipe welder in the UA.org was a pipefitter or plumber. Welding was not its own job classification until recently, it was an endorsement. In some locals, it's viewed as just another joining method, & everyone welds. That might work in a small local. The reality is not every one can do it well, it's better to just move the welder around to every joint & make good welds than it is to have to cut one out, redo it, which takes/costs about 5x as much doing it right the first time. A solid welder, who can TIG and stick (SMAW) weld pipe, will make 100k+/year. It's a lot of OT. Some welds, once started cannot be stopped & allowed to cool until they are finished, & often that includes post weld heat treatment.
Pipefitting, b/c we often are dealing w/ massive pipe, spools, heavy walls, field welds, in limited quantities, we have to be more methodical & careful than a plumber would be. If you mis-cut a piece of pipe as a plumber, usually not a big deal, grab some more, throw the mistake in the scrap pile, reuse it somewhere else maybe. If you mis-cut, or ruin the prep of a pipe end as a fitter there often is no other pipe to replace the mistake. In some cases it's custom milled. They will fire you right then. We're also using cranes & rigging, not climbing a ladder to put a piece of cast iron in hangers. Knowing how to rig is critical. I've made between 148k ('17) to 60k ('13) as a fitter on the road. Sometimes that's because I took time off (went to Oz for a month, cost me about 2.5 months worth of work. That's the 60k yr) or I've been laid off. I'm not one to want to work every single day. 10 months a year is enough for me, & I can swing 6 mo.
This is a post in and of its self. Very informative, and detailed. I'm a draftsman and did pipe drafting for awhile (about a year). Now I'm doing more architectural stuff (rather be doing pipe work or cnc work). From my experience everything you say here is pretty spot on. The construction company I work for only hires union members and I worked at the shop with them for about a year, so I know everything you mention applies to all union fields. There are multiple people that have worked at the shop for most there life, that always miss Fridays or the day after payday. There is one guy that misses every 1st because his girlfriend is on welfare, and he goes with her to make sure she doesn't blow the check.
Working in an office environment and the shop environment gives you the prospective of the life styles of the people who work these fields. You know the shop guys you have what you described in your second paragraph (thing you try to avoid). People missing Monday Friday, or day after payday. One day those guys will never miss however is payday because my work shop employees can't get direct deposit, so everyone gets paper checks. The shop guy are all more laid back, and loss. You have all your shop talk with constant swearing. Then when you go to an office job everyone always shows up, they are all PC, and generally not as much fun to hang out with after work (at least in my experience).
Luckily my company isn't really like that at least with the whole PC thing. company I work for you can tell the owner of the company to fuck off I'm to busy for whatever you need (My boss literally did this this week).
Sorry if I seemed like I was rambling, but I found your post very interesting, and it just kind of made me think about that kind of stuff I guess. Might make a video on this tomorrow, because it is an interesting topic to me.
This is a post in and of its self. Very informative, and detailed. I'm a draftsman and did pipe drafting for awhile (about a year). Now I'm doing more architectural stuff (rather be doing pipe work or cnc work). From my experience everything you say here is pretty spot on. The construction company I work for only hires union members and I worked at the shop with them for about a year, so I know everything you mention applies to all union fields. There are multiple people that have worked at the shop for most there life, that always miss Fridays or the day after payday. There is one guy that misses every 1st because his girlfriend is on welfare, and he goes with her to make sure she doesn't blow the check.
Working in an office environment and the shop environment gives you the prospective of the life styles of the people who work these fields. You know the shop guys you have what you described in your second paragraph (thing you try to avoid). People missing Monday Friday, or day after payday. One day those guys will never miss however is payday because my work shop employees can't get direct deposit, so everyone gets paper checks. The shop guy are all more laid back, and loss. You have all your shop talk with constant swearing. Then when you go to an office job everyone always shows up, they are all PC, and generally not as much fun to hang out with after work (at least in my experience).
Luckily my company isn't really like that at least with the whole PC thing. company I work for you can tell the owner of the company to fuck off I'm to busy for whatever you need (My boss literally did this this week).
Sorry if I seemed like I was rambling, but I found your post very interesting, and it just kind of made me think about that kind of stuff I guess. Might make a video on this tomorrow, because it is an interesting topic to me.
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not even a few years ago, the thought of creating a life out of writing blogs and short stories seemed impossible. Now it feels more possible than ever.
The reality of the job, across the board, rare is field personnel that are knowledgeable now than they were 30, 40, or 50 years ago. Skills that a j-man had to have then are now taken over by foremen (rarely), general foremen (many times), or detailers (more often; j-men, who usually handle the layout, the drawings, the print reading, the coordination with other trades etc, mostly on CAD). I'm a pipefitter detailer, in the office, doing CAD/BIM for a mechanical contractor. You're not a dummy, so make sure your trade challenges you as well. They might not challenge you mentally all the time. As a rule of thumb, the longer the apprenticeship, the more "skill" involved in the trade. Electricians, Plumbers/Pipefitters, Sheet Metal, off the top of my head are the only 5 year.
Challenges for me post college in the trade was more social & work-ethic related than job skills related. I set goals & silly rules for work that turned it into a game. One goal: Never miss a day of apprentice school. I also made sure not to purposefully work towards the highest GPA every year; if I got it fine, but I wasn't going to go out of my way to 100% every test, that was for social reasons. No one likes the class genius; I also helped any one at any time; if you ain't cheating you ain't trying. If the teacher left the room, I was sharing answers on tests. Silly rule: Never miss M or F, makes you look like a drunk, or the day after payday, never miss payday (Th where I worked often), don't miss Tue, it's the last day of the pay period. So that left Wed. Who needs to take Wed off?
All the trades residential is where we are weakest, & wages are lowest. F that shit. The flip side of that, there's usually not enough heavy industrial, or heavy commercial (not really a category, but unions do better building high rise towers and big commercial spaces than say strip malls and stores), in one place to keep you from having to travel sometimes in the trade. So finding a local union to join in an area with some pretty solid industrial base is key. That means industry; auto plants, refineries, power houses, high voltage transmission lines install and maintenance, Chip Fabs (Intel, Global Foundries [upstate NY is probably closest to you with a lot of Chip plants.]) Harder to break into in some regards, but not impossible especially in this day and age. I got credit on my apprentice application for every single math and science class I took in HS and college.
Q1. There are some really smart sparkies. It's a skilled trade. It faces the most non-union pressure of the skilled trades, IMO. If you go this route the high voltage & linesman sparkies are the most prestigious & safer for higher demand, unionism, and long term.
Plumbers: People are always going to shit & need clean H2O. It's however 2nd most non-union pressure. I'm from Vegas, and when they're building 4k rm hotels, our plumbers are busy af. When we crashed; they had to work to switch their classification to pipefitter or welder, b/c even working on the road for a plumber is a hard union job to find. Lots of them drove Uber & did sidework under the table in the home renovation market. Technically not allowed per union rules, but IMO if you're taking money from non union co. in a market, residential, that we don't compete in, that's good. And the union turns a blind eye anyways.
Pipefitters/Pipe Welders: Welding pipe will keep you working somewhere in USA. You'll be home more as well, as long as you can do it & maintain certs across many specialty alloys and joining methods. The diff. between being able to weld structural or even fabrication & welding pipe is stark. Welding is probably the last real skilled trade left. Technology has made every trade so much easier than it used to be. Pipefitting, which originally, every pipe welder in the UA.org was a pipefitter or plumber. Welding was not its own job classification until recently, it was an endorsement. In some locals, it's viewed as just another joining method, & everyone welds. That might work in a small local. The reality is not every one can do it well, it's better to just move the welder around to every joint & make good welds than it is to have to cut one out, redo it, which takes/costs about 5x as much doing it right the first time. A solid welder, who can TIG and stick (SMAW) weld pipe, will make 100k+/year. It's a lot of OT. Some welds, once started cannot be stopped & allowed to cool until they are finished, & often that includes post weld heat treatment.
Pipefitting, b/c we often are dealing w/ massive pipe, spools, heavy walls, field welds, in limited quantities, we have to be more methodical & careful than a plumber would be. If you mis-cut a piece of pipe as a plumber, usually not a big deal, grab some more, throw the mistake in the scrap pile, reuse it somewhere else maybe. If you mis-cut, or ruin the prep of a pipe end as a fitter there often is no other pipe to replace the mistake. In some cases it's custom milled. They will fire you right then. We're also using cranes & rigging, not climbing a ladder to put a piece of cast iron in hangers. Knowing how to rig is critical. I've made between 148k ('17) to 60k ('13) as a fitter on the road. Sometimes that's because I took time off (went to Oz for a month, cost me about 2.5 months worth of work. That's the 60k yr) or I've been laid off. I'm not one to want to work every single day. 10 months a year is enough for me, & I can swing 6 mo.
This is a post in and of its self. Very informative, and detailed. I'm a draftsman and did pipe drafting for awhile (about a year). Now I'm doing more architectural stuff (rather be doing pipe work or cnc work). From my experience everything you say here is pretty spot on. The construction company I work for only hires union members and I worked at the shop with them for about a year, so I know everything you mention applies to all union fields. There are multiple people that have worked at the shop for most there life, that always miss Fridays or the day after payday. There is one guy that misses every 1st because his girlfriend is on welfare, and he goes with her to make sure she doesn't blow the check.
Working in an office environment and the shop environment gives you the prospective of the life styles of the people who work these fields. You know the shop guys you have what you described in your second paragraph (thing you try to avoid). People missing Monday Friday, or day after payday. One day those guys will never miss however is payday because my work shop employees can't get direct deposit, so everyone gets paper checks. The shop guy are all more laid back, and loss. You have all your shop talk with constant swearing. Then when you go to an office job everyone always shows up, they are all PC, and generally not as much fun to hang out with after work (at least in my experience).
Luckily my company isn't really like that at least with the whole PC thing. company I work for you can tell the owner of the company to fuck off I'm to busy for whatever you need (My boss literally did this this week).
Sorry if I seemed like I was rambling, but I found your post very interesting, and it just kind of made me think about that kind of stuff I guess. Might make a video on this tomorrow, because it is an interesting topic to me.
This is a post in and of its self. Very informative, and detailed. I'm a draftsman and did pipe drafting for awhile (about a year). Now I'm doing more architectural stuff (rather be doing pipe work or cnc work). From my experience everything you say here is pretty spot on. The construction company I work for only hires union members and I worked at the shop with them for about a year, so I know everything you mention applies to all union fields. There are multiple people that have worked at the shop for most there life, that always miss Fridays or the day after payday. There is one guy that misses every 1st because his girlfriend is on welfare, and he goes with her to make sure she doesn't blow the check.
Working in an office environment and the shop environment gives you the prospective of the life styles of the people who work these fields. You know the shop guys you have what you described in your second paragraph (thing you try to avoid). People missing Monday Friday, or day after payday. One day those guys will never miss however is payday because my work shop employees can't get direct deposit, so everyone gets paper checks. The shop guy are all more laid back, and loss. You have all your shop talk with constant swearing. Then when you go to an office job everyone always shows up, they are all PC, and generally not as much fun to hang out with after work (at least in my experience).
Luckily my company isn't really like that at least with the whole PC thing. company I work for you can tell the owner of the company to fuck off I'm to busy for whatever you need (My boss literally did this this week).
Sorry if I seemed like I was rambling, but I found your post very interesting, and it just kind of made me think about that kind of stuff I guess. Might make a video on this tomorrow, because it is an interesting topic to me.
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