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RE: IS THE CURATION SYSTEM BROKEN?
Fair enough. But isn't that too much power in a few hands? What are the measures put in place to mitigate cases of favoritism which some have alleged to be this case?
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What do you mean too much power in the hands of few? You mean people that were, lets say hired, by the creator of dtube to handle curation. What is wrong with a business owner hiring employees to handle curation for his steemit account? It could be 0 dtube upvotes.
Also I would imagine there are rules to curation. Like no favoritism. However if someone is consistently is putting out quality, valuable content that isn't always the same talking head vlog, then they deserve consistent upvotes.
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Zero upvotes would mean no platform, you can ask the team at musing how they are doing without their delegation. Why do always I get this tune from most people I speak to about on this issue? If as a business owner you employ ineffective people (not to say the curators are ineffective) to manage your business what would the outcome be?
P.s I'm not concerned about the curators but the system. If we have a proper check and balance, and a more consensus approach amongst the curators probably things might be better. It's great for me, I can care less but I'm trying to hold the middle ground here and probably play the devil's advocate.
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I would argue majority content here is plagiarism and gaming the system for upvotes.
Valid point. Why do you think people post every day? Why do you think I post every day? Everyone is after the upvotes. We can delay this and the frequency of posts by an individual if we implement the things I suggested. But dtube needs traffic I suppose. If dtube curates at 100 percent every 24 hours I'm certain many people will up their game, including myself. Even though I can't afford a good camera now I will certainly invest in one. And if there are guidelines, say a thousand view and meaning comments which will guarantee you a nomination for an upvote, definitely, there will be more effort put into making videos. There are millions of people posting on YouTube. A significant number of them don't earn, a significant number produce zero quality but earn because they ride on trends. We should understand the vlogging sphere better. Dtube can invest more in doing better research and have quality individual that's are innovative working behind the scene. It took them all this drama to make a post today.
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I see a lot of accusation, not much solution. View count is not possible. You said it, millions of people create content on youtube and millions of them make no money. I would love to see the percentage of actual content creators (not plagiarizers) who ear 0 upvotes and money on dtube. They don't exist. Everyone who actually makes new relevant content gets upvotes. Dtube does not upvote 100%'s.
The argument has been that some videos get higher upvotes for mediocre content. This said video of mine got a $6. You might check around and find one of those bedroom videos you talked about getting as high as $10. I really don't care about these things though i notice them. Asides video quality and probably audio quality i think i can match any dtuber here when it comes to quality. Maybe @theycallmedan will beat me to it. The point is if we are all being honest we will see there are lapses. Personally I'm good. I get 2-3 upvotes from dtube weekly. At least that covers my data expense. I wishedII earned more probablyII will get a decent camera for my vlogs but they don't owe me anything. ButII fear they might fall like musing if they don't review things and make some adjustments
All that really matters is that we all have a place to post to is not centralized, that is not censored and is a place for free speech. It is that. The upvotes are a bonus. This is a place banned YouTube channels can turn to. Ideally people would get votes that reflect their hearts desire, however it is a human curation teams. I dont think it is a good idea to tell all these people that they are not doing a good job as curators.
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I do understand. That's why I tired my possible best to keep this conversation on steem--discord.i got an infuriating response that made me to respond on twitter and why I even uploaded this video. It's been on my phone for 3days, I was even planning on deleting it.
I won't take your job even for 1k steem (lies) because I might end up downvoting most videos. I tried to maintain the middle ground, which did not happen but I get you guys and thank you for having the decency to have this conversation rather than tell me to go talk to the wall. We've reasoned like equals, and that's what it should be like. I will keep promoting steem and dtube.
But I just have this to say, the team should distance itself from anything that would drag it to the mud. Bad news spread faster than good news. This is all I can say.
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I would also argue every single business that is a huge success has employees. Unless you are talking about a freelancer, or contractor. So basically, a business grows to a size, they must hire employees to handle the demand. Well, I wouldn't say the dtube curators are ineffective (even if in parenthesis you say you aren't saying that) because you are playing "devils advocate." That would be like me saying, "Man I think team X sucks" (not to say the the individual players are terrible) but what happens when you hire a team of professional athletes and they don't win every game?
Well, you can read other meanings to my statement. It is open for debate.
Employ another. It happens every time in football. If the coach can not find a way around the team's poor performance, a new one is hired to do that job
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Also 0 upvotes doesn't mean 0 platform. The platform will still be available for people to use. They just wouldn't game the system to get upvotes from the dtube account. There are a lot of steemians who are vested willing to upvote video they appreciate.
Like the example i gave--musing. Its still a functioning app on the steem blockchain with a few active persons. But currently it cannot match the patronage of dapps like dtube and steemmonsters? Why? Two months ago it was one of the top apps on steem. This goes to show the importance of upvotes in the ecosystem. We do not run attention economy but a reward economy. If people don't get rewarded they bail out. No loyalty or whatsoever.
Things will never be the same. But if you doubt, probably if you know anyone at dtube headquarters then tell them to try out this little experiment. 95 per cent of dtubers aren't vloggers. They are here for the upvotes and honestly there is nothing wrong with that. I never knew i had a passion for vlogging until those upvotes started coming (am i allowed a little humor here?)
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Since this is a subjective issue and it's based on curators discretion, I want to believe quality is a subjective issue. How it works in more centralized system like YouTube is that the engagement determines what gets to the top. Personally, it's not quality if no one is interacting with the material no matter how much effort is put into it. The consumer of the material has the final say. However we don't have such a system in place. My suggestion: implement a view count, weigh the quality of engagement on that material before curating. This might even stop the trash load of content people pump into the system. But then again we can not afford that because we need this platform to be active since we do not have the numbers
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I think there are reasons for not having a view count. Also the decentralized nature of dtube doesnt allow that, I think. I think that is a good idea tho, wait x amount of time to accumulate upvotes then the team votes. However, majority of people are thankful to get upvotes when they do. Lots just post for the love of it. There are plenty of things that could change, we sure could use more quality content creators here. Too many people talk for 5 minutes in their bedrooms and expect upvotes for it. If anything people should ignore dtube and organically grow their audience by networking.
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I have seen a one-minute video about nothing. Even 10-20 mins about nothing. Faux motivator, faux crypto experts. But at the end of the day, the viewers should have they say. The first time I watched Nicki's anaconda video I thought it was total trash but it ended up being one of the most watched videos that year. Like I said, quality is relative.
I'm glad we could have a decent conversation without any temper tantrums. Show maturity.
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For sure lol. I will have to look into the musing model, I am not familiar with that. Nor am I familiar with the video you are talking about. It seems like over the past few weeks a lot of different accounts have been getting upvoted, I suggest looking at their voting power. Then once you have seen that look at the content coming out. They upvote almost everyone who is not plagiarizing. Vote power doesn't go above 25% from what I have seen.
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Maybe i should. At the end I'm as passionate about steem as everyone here who puts time and effort. This types of dialogues are necessary. We disagree to agree and then find a middle ground. Silence escalated the whole issue. I'm glad to see dtube posting again.
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