Deflection and Taboo words... Troll, Racist, Conspiracy Theorist, etc.


These days people will choose certain labels to throw at people to shut them down. It is usually a form of deflection when they are saying something that is untrue or making themselves look bad. They will use a label to make someone else look bad instead, or to hopefully silence the person who might react to the word and suddenly want to be silent so people don't believe they are actually that label.

I like waking people up to these fallacies. Using a label as deflection is sometimes called an ad hominem attack. It is an attempt to attack the honor, integrity, and worth of the person challenging you rather than actually addressing the issue they are talking about. If you can get them to accept this then the discussion shifts from the actual ISSUE that was being discussed and you now have them busy defending their own character. This is an ad hominem attack.

Many things inspire me to write posts, but today it was reading @gavvet's post and reading through the comment section.

First this was yet another example of people hijacking the word Troll for their own purposes. It is also a good example of an ad hominem attack and deflection wrapped up in post form. There are also plenty of examples in the comments themselves.

A Troll is not someone who simply disagrees with you. If you are frustrated and cannot make them agree with you that doesn't suddenly turn them into a Troll. A troll is also not someone who simply challenges you. If you perform a questionable action or say something that someone believes is false. They have a right to challenge you on it. This is how life works, and how we learn things.

Just because you are frustrated with how things are going does not mean your opposition has turned into a troll.

So what then is a troll?


Typically a troll doesn't really give a damn at all about the issue. They'll tell you whatever they can to get a rise out of you. They are fond of exalting in their ability to Trigger you. If you agree with them they will likely change their mind simply so they can stay opposed to you and keep messing with you. It isn't about the issue, it is about keeping you intentionally frustrated. They likely won't care about being reasonable or presenting you with facts. They will mostly focus on emotion, and they will brag about getting reactions out of you...

Wait a minute... Could that @gavvet post have been trolling? If not some of the comments could have been. The deflection, character ad hominem attacks, etc are all popular tools of the troll.

I don't believe that is @gavvet's intentions were in that post, but it was clear he was hijacking troll to mean anyone that disagreed with him and was challenging him.

I am not even calling him out on the content of that post, the actual incident they were arguing about.

I found the deflection and ad hominems far more telling. They can be quite revealing. How a person chooses to deflect and what they do can also help to accentuate guilt rather than conceal it. This is something some media outlets today need to learn as well by the way.

Racist, Conspiracy Theorist, etc


Are often used the same way @gavvet used the word Troll. It was more about trying to silence disagreement. It is a modern incarnation of someone shouting "Heresy", "Blasphemer", etc. It is done very commonly with "Racist", or "Conspiracy Theorist". Why do people do it? Because, most people respond emotionally and want to hide from the stigma associated with the label. Yet most people have not been taught critical thinking. If they had then they would see through these attempts and they would not react in shame, or fear of being shamed.

This is one of my personal goals in life now. I want more people to see through bullshit, and I also intend it at help for people who unknowingly are using bullshit to defend themselves. They kind of go hand in hand. If you have not began looking at yourself critically and you don't practice things you don't know what to look for. I am learning new things to challenge myself on all the time. SO I am not expert on these things. I just know they don't really teach this stuff in school, they don't teach it in most media, so I try to get people at least started on the path.

Some of you are likely further along the path than I am. This was not intended on me attacking @gavvet. It was a learning opportunity. I didn't mention any of the actual issues in that post.


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Calling someone a troll is different from racist or conspiracy theorist.
Mainly because its very hard to be sure if someone is a troll or not.

Racist or conspiracy theorist on the other hand is relatively easy. You can call them that when they act that way.
But there is a problem WHEN someone is a racist or CT.

For example: Is it racist to mostly control black young man for drugs?
There are those who will say it not racist because black young man account for (random number) 80% of drug arrests.
But that is a statistic and first does not say anything about the individual (and if you are looking at stats and not the person, you are racist - or at least a statisticist).
Second you have to ask teh question WHY are young blacks the group mostly in the statistic? Because they get controlled 5 times more often then white young man, who may (or may not) do drogs as often as blacks?
Maybe it has nothing to do with the color and instead with poverty? And since many white people do a lot that blacks don't come out of poverty...

Similar with conspiracy theorist:
If you believe there is some secret circle of politicians meeting in a certain pizzeria - yeah, why not. Possible. Such things happen. Not CT
If you believe half of all politicians like to fuck children without really good proof, then you ARE a CT because that is statistically less likely then a spontaneous, complete class reunion without anyone knowing on a different continent.

If you believe that a lot of politicians gather discriminating material about each other, then you are probably right.

If you believe all politicians are completely bullshit, ignorant, selfish and power hungry bigots then you are wrong.

There are a lot of them, but that is not because politicians are that way but because in politics (and other places) those people are advanced. And we all participate actively in promoting or at least tolerating the advancement of such behavior.

You can see that in school: Who are the students that get admired by peers and often adults too?
The shy, thoughtful problem solver who does not care about being praised in the center of the stadium?
Or the cheerleader and football players who don't solve a problem and may be total power hungry but look good on the field?

It CAN be different.

It is NOT always different.

I didn't for example state there were no Trolls. I defined what they are. I did not say there are no Racists, or Conspiracy Theorist.

If a person lashes out and calls someone a Troll simply because they disagree with them how is that different from someone lashing out and calling someone a Racist or a Conspiracy Theorist when they have no evidence to support that other than their discomfort over something.

Examples: My daughter works at a gas station (one of the small ones where the attendant is more or less in a booth). A black lady drove up and parked her car in such a way that the license plate was not visible. Policy dictates they have to tell the people to turn their car around.

My daughter asked her to turn her car around. Sure enough"What are you racist?" to which my daughter replied "No, I am not" and explained the policy, but the lady kept ranting on about racism. My daughter explained that she could turn her car around or she could have her $20 back, but policy required that the license plate be visible.

When the lady came back my daughter told her that "as far as racism, I have one son and a husband that are darker color than you are".

This happens a lot and it is the same as the use of Troll in such cases.

This is also true with the phrase Conspiracy Theorist. Conspiracies do happen, there are theories explaining events yet they are closer to a hypothesis and are not the same as a theory in the scientific method.

Even the government tells conspiracy theories. They explain events when the evidence is destroyed, and the witnesses are all dead. They use the best evidence they can and they present a Conspiracy Theory.

These days that phrase will be used to shut people down or as a "I don't need to listen to a word you say" and it is an instant trigger reflex to hearing any piece of information that offers discomfort and does not fit within that persons world view. They won't consider anything the person is saying and they'll feel good about it because that person is speaking "blasphemy", he/she is a Conspiracy Theorist...

So are they the same thing? NO, and I didn't say they were.

Yet are all of the terms I provided frequently used the same way? Yes. That is what my article was about.

I was taught when in a discussion, argument, debate, name calling, you know getting personal means you can't move your opinion forward and your lost track or lost the argument.

Typically this is accurate.

The definition of a conspiracy theorist if a person that doesn't trust known lairs.
Some people would rather troll than have an actual conversation.

Yes, but these days if someone is frustrated because they cannot get the person to agree they will often start tossing the Troll label.

Disagreement is natural. Also each of us can be wrong. So sometimes it is ourselves that are not willing to admit we are wrong. Yet some of us will call the other person a troll.

Sometimes neither person is wrong they just haven't understood each other completely yet.

In which case neither of them are a troll. Learning to communicate is a challenge and something we never perfect, we hopefully do get better.

Each of us needs to recognize these ad hominem attacks for what they are and try to avoid them.

That is not to say there are not trolls. There most definitely are. Try agreeing with them, see if they suddenly change their stance. ;) That's one way that sometimes you can identify and actual troll. If there purpose is just to get a rise out of you then agreeing likely won't end the torment.

The public school system is probably half the problem. Most kids today can't even communicate without emojis.

Definitely.

Steem in you too. And resteem of course.

@dwinblood, You inspired me to make a post. I hope you don't mind, I reference this post.

Have at it... anyone can reference my posts anytime good or bad.

the go-to insult for sheeple lol "troll"

Oh, Racist, Conspiracy Theorist, Leftist, Rightist, Nazi, Republican, Democrat, Muslim, Terrorist....

Labels in general can be used this way. If the intention is to shame, insult, etc and otherwise deflect then they are all pretty much the same thing.

Simply words people use to try to shift you to defending your character and/or hiding rather than paying attention to the actual issue they are trying to distract you from.

It could be the total opposite. Maybe they are trying to point out the peoples behaviour and why they got labelled. You can only go at a person that much. For every action there is a reaction. I dont say what @gavvet did was right but I have seen the poisin in the chatrooms been spread since last year. These people keep feeding their vengeance and am not open to address the real issue. They love the reaction they get and it makes them feel more powerful. I have seen their pools grow. They not truly interested in being decent at all. There are ways to communicate issues, lead people by pointing out their mistakes directly to them in private but these guys love to attack to show their importance. Alot of people left because of them.

"Truth" is based on the information you have, we never have all the information, only the side which we pick to defend.

Oh yeah. It could be totally out of context as far as what @gavvet is doing. It was very much ad hominems from him and others in the comments there.

I truly did not make the post to bash @gavvet but the comment section on that post and the post itself were very convenient currently relevant examples of such techniques being employed.

I know nothing about the topic OF that post other than what I read there and in its comments. So I have nothing to bash. I also have never hung out in the #price channel on steemit.chat

I think it is the natural man in all of us coming out, if we have to keep defending our name and honour for months. They are continuesly looking for something to attack him on. If it was spread to all authors it wont be a problem but they have a personal vendetta with a few which they would like to sink. As soon as they sink one that will not be enough they will find a new one. They are driving more people away than helping the platform to grow.

I am not saying you are bashing @gavvet. I am pointing out why he might have used name branding. We need to try and get all the information from all angles before we form an opinion.

There are examples of him using it incorrectly in the comments. Yet the original article you are correct, it depends upon context. He is meeting some people simply challenging something he said with the term "troll".... "Ahh another person took the bait", etc.

In those cases the context is available. The original article the dialogs that people had in #price and such are not.

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