There Is No Such Thing As Chemtrails

in #contrails7 years ago (edited)

I could start this post with saying that what most people perceive as chemtrails are actually crystals of water vapor from jet engines. Just as easy I could be dismissed since really there is no way to tell. Side A defends that the evil elite are trying to control either the human population or the weather or for some, both. Side B believes there is nothing going on because all evidence suggests that there is nothing going on. The point of my post is not to repeat the same information you can find on google but actually stimulate some critical thinking from those who actually believe that some people are spraying evil substances in our... common sky.

And this would be my first argument. We all live under the same atmosphere. We all breath the same air. This means that any form of harmful substance that would be sprayed from the evildoers will eventually be inhaled by them and their children. Earth is a closed system. Nobody can escape the poison. In a more satirical way, the government might be spraying itself in order to control it better. They do seem to be doing an awful job at everything they touch anyways.

And this would be my second argument. Conspiracy theorists claim that the private sector can do any job much better. How on earth then a group of incompetent government leeches can pull off such an extravagant plan? What is the endgame of such plan? If population control is indeed the evil masterplan then that also would be contra to the elite's plans that want more and more wage slaves to do the menial jobs while themselves cash out from their minions.

Third and most important: The internet can spread good information as much as it can spread bullshit. For the money making savvy, you should understand that there is a market for everything out there. The more educated a person is, the harder is to sell something. People read that the atmosphere has particles of "strontium, barium and aluminum" and immediately think that these must come from the mysterious lines in the sky that don't seem to go away fast enough. Ignorance and fear fills in the gaps in most people's heads. I mean how on earth did they end up there ...rrriiight?


Polluting the youth

The more people that support the idea, the more likely is to be believed no matter how absurd it is. Say to any person today that they passed by the cemetery and saw zombies blessing the living and they will laugh at you or call psychiatric services. Tell them that this happened 2000 years ago in an era where any person of power could claim anything and people not only buy it but willingly worship it. Tradition is a very strong force and it seems that the earlier in life we are taught something the more likely future generations will believe it.


Forget about the peer-reviewed studies that say there is no collusion. Screw the consensus from the scientific community. At the end of the day, they could all be in it, munching grants and filling up their pockets right? The point of this post is to think about the issue critically with the tool in our disposal aka our brain.

There is no need to believe papers or other scientists but rather examine whether the accusation claims actually stand under rigorous critical analysis. If at the end of the day every single accusation can be explained by simple understanding of physics and chemistry it means that what we are witnessing is rather a confirmation that most people are scientifically illiterate.

Ask yourself. Why do you believe the conspiracy theory? What are your evidence? Is there a direct causation? Could a correlation fool your judgement? I believe any person examining the issue critically and not emotionally would be able to dismiss the chemtrail narratives with ease.







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If you could for your next article explain these 175 US patents on geoengineering of me.

http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-09-10-175-patents-prove-that-geoengineering-and-weather-control-technologies-are-real.html

  1. "natural-news" . instant fail.

  2. geoengineering =/= burgers =/= chemtrails

Forget the source. You can't explain away 175 US patents. They exist. I didn't figure you would go there cause you can't.

Of course he can not ... you need more than sarcasm and good writing skills to disprove something that is so evident at the moment. Life is hard sometimes

patents =/=chemtrails

I've got an open mind. And would change my mind on this topic, IF you presented some factual evidence rather than rhetorical jargon to dispute it. patents=/=chemtrails? Oh brilliant. I guess that makes it not so. You don't address any of the facts. Or maybe just again don't care to. Cause you can't.

Why do I think something is going on in our skies?

1 - Up until a couple years ago I spent the entirety of my life in or around the Sacramento area of Northern California.

When I was a kid the skies were a beautiful blue and planes never left miles long streaks in the sky.

In the early nineties I got in to landscape photography. I spent a lot of time looking at the sky and there were no long streaks.

The last summer I spent in Cali was 2015. It doesn't rain during the summer in Sac, that's why the skies were always a rich beautiful blue. I worked outside and would watch as they sprayed the blue sky to the point it was a solid gray haze by noon that wouldn't go away.

It's a stretch to believe that ice particles are hanging in the sky hours on end with the sun beating through them and it's 100 degrees on the ground.

2 - Elevated amounts of Aluminum and Barium have been found in rainwater and soil tests around the US.

3 - They tell us about it. http://www.cftc.gov/idc/groups/public/@lrfederalregister/documents/frcomment/08-004c002.pdf Page two states it's a reality. The last paragraph on page 4 starts talking about chemtrails.

I also found legislation on govtrack from 2001 about chemtrails but can't find the link now on my phone. :(

(Edited: found it, it didn't pass, but they wouldn't attempt legislation mentioning chemtrails if they weren't real https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/107/hr2977/text)

The video frankenskies on YouTube is all news clips and other clips like military training that shows they have been telling us about weather modification for some 75 years. Chemtrails is part of weather modification and weather warfare.

I have examined critically and unemotionally and I do not find it easy to dismiss.

Well said. These are definitely more than just ice crystals. Again for some it's easier to dismiss them than to think this could actually be going on.

So, let me see. The world has become more industrialized with more technology exploring the skies ...

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therefore chemtrails?

sure.

cognitive dissonance is a powerful thing

Nice post. And you're entitled to your opinion. But the evidence that these, as you call them, contrails, are indeed chemtrails. Most people would rather deny them than face the awful truth that they indeed are real. Contrails disappear very shortly. These chemtrails linger for hours. There is a difference. And as far as the argument goes, oh we breathe the same air so they surely wouldn't spray toxic chemicals on themselves. Do a search on chelation therapy. There are ways to remove toxic heavy metals from the body. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss something because it's uncomfortable to think about it being a reality. But anyway. I look forward to your reply.

These chemtrails linger for hours.

Where would they linger? Wouldn't air currents spread them in an stochastic way? I have trouble imagining a more inefficient way of distributing their "harmful chemicals" over the population they intend to harm; one would think such evil masterminds would have a more carefully constructed plan to avoid contaminating the whole entire world we live in.

Moreover, what is the end goal of this entire process? To what end would they invest such a tremendous amount of effort? What would be their gain from this?

Also, if all scientists are bought so they don't talk about "the truth", how are the supposed damaging effects by chem trails so well established? This would require extensive studies and decades-long follow ups with multiple controls (moreover, who would be used as control subjects, if everyone is being spayed indiscriminately?). This kind of research would be crazily expensive and a logistical feat of titanic proportions, who would be funding or having the manpower to do that?

I said nothing of all scientists are bought. There are scientists out there that have documented evidence of pH changes in the soil and that metals such as aluminum and strontium are responsible. And I never said that there is some evil behind it. I think whoever is doing this has some high minded idea as to why they are doing it. I have my beliefs just like you have yours. But neither of us can say for certain that they do or don't exist. And linger, yes linger. They do indeed spread out with air currents. But when you look or watch them they are still there. That's the definition of linger. Still present. A contrail goes away. You no longer see it. I find it interesting that these trails, whatever you want to call them, seem to be trying to block the sun ☀️. Maybe to save us from global warming. At least where I'm at these trails are usually done in the general location of the sun.

So the technology is patented and people in power are discussing using the tech in the future, you just don't believe it's being done yet? Let me know when they admit they are doing it and then we can all point to skies that look exactly as they do now and say "ahhh now they are doing it."

It's hard to say there is no scientific argument when there are videos such as the following:
https://steemit.com/irma/@citizenpresscorp/dane-with-geoengineeringwatch-org-on-irma

chemtrails =/= geoengineering

this is why i said above. use your head. not your hearts.

I'm referencing atmospheric aeresol injection. You should really give that video a chance. This isn't emotional thinking, there is a rational argument being made that you aren't addressing.

so what's up with the video that makes you so sure that it is aerosol injection and for what purpose?

I'd just watch it. I've watched plenty of content from both sides, and this man Dane Wigington seems pretty credible.

Well this is largely the gist of it. Beyond the scientific evidence there just isn't sufficient motivation for this stuff. However some people just drank too much of the koolaid and can't even be introspective enough to understand why they believe what they do anymore.

I didn't want to get into the details for obvious reasons. I don't believe people who believe in chemtrails can be reasoned with scientific evidence anyways so I tried a rather more simplistic approach.

btw, The title of my post was inspired by your comment on teamsteem's sideways tinfoiled article. I was thinking to make this one for some time now.

"I don't believe people who believe in chemtrails can be reasoned with scientific evidence anyways"

That's not a good outlook. Many people just haven't read the right research or still have questions.
Especially if you believe that geoengineering does occur and have looked through the list of patents that were linked by coolbowser, you have the possibility that they are using this technology for potentially nefarious purposes.
I don't count myself as someone who quite believes in chemtrails simply because I don't know the direct effects of each specific ion on the human body, but I wouldn't deny that there have been medicines, pesticides, pollution, and ingredients that we ingest which companies know have harmful effects on the body and continue to use.
Could these same companies/agencies be putting things in our environment that are taken up by plants/animal products that are sold only to the public? While I believe that people with money and access could be using different products so they don't eat/drink the same things the common people do, I don't know how effective the slow poisoning of common people would be.

So I have lots of doubts on both sides, but lots of people need to be exposed to a wider range of sources so they can better understand the science behind both sides (although you will get a those on both sides who will never accept the arguments of their opponents).

Rationality has a hard time right now. People don't want to hear about it... just look at Donald Trump.

Great post and ideas to think about. I think the goverments lost there creditbility of protecting the people off enviroment hazard because they have been cought lying so many times in the past. Thats why people think of chemtrails as a possibility that could happen.

everybody lies. including private companies.

But I have proof!

hehe :D Its real.

oh you better believe it!

Just recently, chem trails around the world seem to have just stopped.

Your post talks about demeaning people who do not think scientifically, but you make several assumptions that go against known facts. However, going against known facts is what the "settled science" seems to do these days. But hey, if you are in the echo chamber of peer-review, then I guess those pesky facts don't matter.

"seem" - You got it right there.

Don't know what's being sprayed but something is, the trails are different.

Oh you dont? I can tell you. NOTHING.
Its watter. Condensation.
Why are they different?
Planes fly at different heights, in different pressure, different humidity, different temperature. And these things vary a lot, thats why they look different each time.

Have a full cup of scientific consensus.

Right...so we've been looking at these planes fly all our lives and just now they started flying at different heights and under different pressure and humidity...

They don't look different every time, there are two types of trails and one of them has only been around for a couple of years. Couldn't care less about what you decide to call consensus, we're not blind.

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