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RE: Trump IS Playing 4D Chess After All...

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I am probably very stupid and blue eyed in your opinion, but I really dont see any evidence that there is a deep state:

Here is one logical flaw in the socalled "deep state conspiracy" you present

Barak Obama, according to you a "puppet for the bankers and zionists", negotiated a nuclear deal with the Iranians

Trump, also according to you a "puppet for the bankers and zionists", broke the same deal

did the "the bankers and zionists" suddenly change their mind?

possible explanations:
1: deep state is tricking us into believing they dont exist
2: Obama thought it was smart to have this deal, Trump thought it was not.

Which is most plausible?

killing Qasem Soleimani:
must there be a deep state behind?
or is Trump just doing something to get the attention away from impeachment?

interpreting all events into a a narrative you choose could of course be entertaining, but really, is there any hard hitting evidence for this "deep state", or just "shadows in the dark"?

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Did the "the bankers and zionists" suddenly change their mind?

No, they needed the deal first so they could blame Iran for violating it, withdraw and use it to paint them in an even worse light. Didn’t go fully according to plan, as Iran didn’t violate it, but still needed the deal to end as it was the main hindrance to war. The whole plan is outlined in documents from years ago.

As to bankers being in control, I figure that is rather self-evident with our money controlled by the private central bank - federal reserve - owned by zionists as well btw.

A famous banker once said, “give me control of a nation’s money supply and I care not who makes its laws.”

There’s also the Israeli lobby, weapons manufacturer lobby, pharmaceutical lobby, etc. all have heavy influence over/ownership of the politicians. Obama wages the same wars as Bush before, and Trump is just continuing. No matter who in office the wars never end, no matter what the people want. Find out in whose interest are the wars, and that’s who owns the president.

Let me know if you discover bankers and zionists not in favor of the wars...

To me it sounds like the events mentioned are pushed into a narrative around the socalled "zionists and bankers". If you do not share this view the story sounds weird at best. If you do share this view it is necessary to do these kinds of "adjustments".

As far as I am informed Trump is only doing what he has been planning all along. During his campaign his repeated message was to build a wall towards mexico (and mexico should pay), move the USA embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem and generally have a pro-Israel policy, be tough on Iran, recruit conservative supreme court members, tear apart any agreement made before his presidency and so on. My view is that he is only pleasing his base of very loyal voters.

I really do not share your zionist - bankers link. Sounds like something similar to a popular ideology in europe a few decades ago, but correct me if I am wrong!

I do not know any bankers or zionist which are in favor of wars. I really do not see why they should be mentioned in the same sentence. If you mean Jews, there certainly are some Jews which are bankers, but there is also other religious groups represented in this profession. The idea that a small group are able to control the world is in my mind absurd. the world is caotic before anything else! It is important to know that money is one form of power, but not the only one.

Large banks, or big companies in general, will be interested in economical growth, and will be in favor of all measures which can secure economical growth. Economical growth means money t the shareholders, and that is the bottom line.

However, bankers would certainly not be in favor of trade wars. Just look at wall street following every turn in the ongoing trade-war against China... But it is probably no problem to force this fact into a "zionist - bankers" world view...

Trump is only doing certain things he promised, not keeping many promises that would upset the establishment, such as putting Hillary in prison, pulling troops out of Syria, challenging the federal reserve, etc.

Benjamin Netanyahu is one prominent Zionist who wants war as you said you knew of none. Bankers have funded and profited off both sides of many wars throughout history.

You may find the following videos informative.

All Wars are Bankers Wars:

Century of Enslavement: History of the Federal Reserve:

Once you realize the same people that own the banks own the media, and private prisons, and Big Oil that profit off war, and the weapons manufacturing companies that get rich off war, it’s easier to see how the politicians are just puppets for the war machine.

Well I guess the reason he doesent do all things he promised is the same reason all politicians dont manage to keep all promises. There is something called reality, which most politicians have to manage, in addition to their idea of a perfect society.

I guess who is a zionist depends on what you mean about a "zionist". If Benjamin Netanyahu is a zionist I think Trump is an Americanionist (or whatever way you spell it). If a zionist simply means youre a member of a ethinc or religious group all people in this world is a "ist" of some sort. It is the link between "bankers and zionist" I do not understand, and the impliatcation that they are all in favour of war.

What about Jeff Bezoz, worlds richest person. Not only is he rich but he also owns a company with detailed information on most inhabitants and their shopping habits. Do you think he have to bow for any bank, or is it the other way around? What about Elon Musk, he is an upcoming rich person, and if he succeed on his star-link project my guess is that he will be the next "worlds richest person". His power is not linked to money, but almost genius engineering and entrepreneur - skills. No bank can stop him! He will get founded in the stock market or similar institutions. Both these persons have lead companies that have profoundly changed the lifes of the consumers. Thats the reason they are rich, not some devious plan to make everybody go to war with each others.

And if war is such an important income for banks they are doing rather bad for the time beeing, in the historical perspective. There has never been a more peaceful era in the known history. Of course we have our wars, but at much smaller scale than earlier. Allthough I guess you have another theory, but the biggest war in history was not triggered by any zionists or banks, but simply by ideologies clashing together. These wars was far easier to start in the old days, when the economy was more "local". Nowadays most products you buy is a global cooperation. For instance, the computers we sit and type our messages on have components and technology from all over the world. A war in a region important for the supply of certain minerals, or if the general flow of goods and services stops up because of a war it would lead to less consumption of these goods, and therefore less money both for banks and shareholders. And nobody likes that. Sure, there are money to be made on wars, but there are much more money to be made on peace. Not because of good will or kindness, but because of a mechanism in the economy (called greed) I believe the trend of fever and fever wars will sustain.

Wars are always a result of recklessness from one or more parties. Israelis might be reckless and so can all other nation in this world be. There is also reckless people in all ethnic groups and in all professions. The question remains, why link zionists and bankers, and why claim that they are more eager to have wars? there is in my view no logical link, and I do not see that you have presented that either.

There is a link, as many of the international bankers are in fact Zionist. I claim they are eager for wars because they are behind America’s wars. Recommend watching videos above that demonstrates this.

As to Trump, see video below fully exposing him as Zionist puppet of the bankers.

And I hope you are right about trend towards peace, but unfortunately America runs on a war economy and the greed of those profiting off war keep the endless wars raging. Seems they don’t see much profit in store for them in peace or we wouldn’t still be at war in Middle East after 20 years for no purpose but profit and Zionism. See Greater Israel Project, our wars help their plan to expand control of the region.

This is only shadows in the dark. If you only look at these allegedly "proofs" you could be convinced, but there is more to the world than owning a couple of banks and supporting parties:

The middle east is of great strategic importance for the USA , not only to Israel. The great powers of the world compete in this region, and forgetting this is a big mistake if you want to understand whats going on. Why do you think Russia uses their military to support Assad in Syria? is it to be nice? If the USA withdraw from the middle east, would the rest of the world sit still and look? Previously USA have been importing almost all oil. Would it be ok if Russia sat by the oil-well? The Russia-USA relation have not been characterized by warmth... If China was in position I promise you, they would also engage in the middle east. USA engaging in the middle east is a natural consequence of the world order and the game to secure supply of essential resources. Of course someone earns money on oil, weapons and so on, but the real reason is to secure the supply, and also being able to deny it to other players. This is rational behavior in the game of power, not a result of a small group of people with a hidden agenda. The wars in the middle east is also an "afterplay" after the first world war, when the Osman empire was dissolved. A lot of tension between different groups. Israel was established after world war two, which increased the tension in the area. But in the situation after the mass slaughter during the world war two, what should the world do?

My forecast is that now, when the energy supply of the world is shifting towards other sources than oil the military precense in the middle east will also be reduced. It will take some time, if it is done properly, in order to secure stability before withdrawing. In fact I think the nuclear deal with Iran was a first step of withdrawal by Obama.

Lastly I would like to point out that it does not exactly look like a new large scale war between Iran and the USA. It more so looks like they are rivaling to have an outer enemy, and secure their home-popularity.

My suggestion to you is to spend less time wathing these Youtube videos, and more time using reason to understand the world. History has shown (repeatedly) that missing out on whats really going on can have catastrophic consequences, especially when labeling all problems to one ethnic group.

I agree with much of what you say, however I’m not labeling all problems on one ethnic group, rather the power elite in general which are many ethnicities. Zionists are not an ethnic group, but political ideologists who believe in the state of Israel and its right to expand.

I use plenty of reason to understand the world. The root problem is greed, hunger for power and lack of love.

Just because there are reasons other than Israel for the US intervention doesn’t mean Israel isn’t a huge influence as well, and no matter the reasons it doesn’t make it right.

I’ve done plenty of research, not only YT videos, and watched what Trump’s been doing for three years now and I’m convinced he is a Zionist puppet owned by the very bankers who bailed him out for billions. But even if he wasn’t he is still a greedy hypocritical politician and I’d still be calling him out. I disagree with his actions no matter what his reasons are or who is pulling his strings.

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