Off a duck's back

in #community6 years ago (edited)

When it comes to arguments, I have no problem people arguing ideas but as soon as it becomes personal attacks and name calling, I get disinterested very quickly. The internet seems to love the drama and while they call the politicians childish and immature when they resort to ad hominems, act in an identical manner while thinking they are clever. If an argument requires personal attacks and character assassination, it is not a valid argument to use to invalidate a concept, it is just lazy.

It is lazy because in a world that has created a large amount of emotionally unstable yet polarized people across a broad range of topics, it is very easy to trigger reaction without actually putting forward anything of value to the conversation. For me, I find it all rather useless but people seem to think they 'win' something by attacking someone's position by attacking the person, they don't.

There is very little chance of changing someone's or a group of people's understanding or belief in something by attacking or ridiculing them as it raises defenses and results in a doubling-down effect. What it does do is polarize further and make any open and honest discussion less likely which means, anyone claiming to be doing it for some kind of better good is essentially ignorant to what they are doing.

What it generally seems to be is a type of tribal mentality where people can gain traction and support within their echo chambers by attacking a common enemy, which makes it a needy and attention seeking approach and quite childish. I find it doubly silly when people who claim to be independent thinkers resort to this kind of behavior as it is driven by the expectation of group support.

Having said that, for those that do get attacked in this way, learn to recognize it for what it is, keep a level head either continue to engage with a higher maturity or if that isn't possible, step away from the argument as it is very unlikely that there is value in it for anyone once it gets to a level of name calling.

I have noticed a few people who run services and businesses engaging and getting drawn into these kinds of arguments which makes me personally question their intentions and whether they are emotionally stable enough to run a business under pressure reliably. There are others however who regardless of how strongly they are attacked, conduct themselves civilly and can continue the conversation under duress or, politely extract themselves.

I find it difficult to trust people and their opinions who have strong emotional reactions to argument and difficult to trust people who resort to personal attacks to try and evoke such reactions as it clearly puts personal agenda at the forefront of the decision making and argument.

That is just me though I guess as so many seem to love the drama of it all, even if it leads to nothing of consequence.

Taraz
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I enjoy being attacked personally, personally.
It's a compliment on my argument.

Yep, I don't have much of an issue with being attacked as it is a test of my own emotional position but, when it comes to practical purposes, it doesn't necessarily help in clarification if some kind of consensus is needed. It reminds me of the ridiculous nature of Parliament question time nonsense.

The less those welfare whores agree on, the better.

The problem is when their behaviors become ours.

A very good example here on steemit comes to mind. I used to have great respect for Adam Kokesh and Graham Smith (Kafkanarchy) before this their dilemma got blown over. They probably do not know how much damage their immature handling of their disagreement has done

Yeah, I only looked at it briefly but there was a great deal of obvious BS engineering in what I saw. There are a few similar cases always ongoing here.

To true..another enjoyable read.

Personally I find those who attack others and try to create drama are actually the weak ones. Unfortunately the vast majority in my business in the top ranks seem to be of this type. Fewer and fewer keep the business at the centre of what they do, more and more just seek glory for themselves and see character assassinations a quick path to victory.

Cheers

If one can't control themselves in argument, how will they behave when they actually have something to lose or gain? I think it has been further driven by political populism and getting support through common enemies, not good ideas.

Sometimes I can’t understand what it is about drama that people enjoy so much... There is so many other productive things to do with ones time that I can’t see why trolls and the sorts gets the attention... Particularly when people start to get attacked and threatened it gets out of hand quickly and people continue to instigate more, should not be an acceptable thing to even experience. I deal with conflict management everyday but these dramas that are created should not be treated the same and ignored in my opinion.

I figure it is a bit of schadenfreude going on. People like to see others suffer but I wonder if they would derive such pleasure if the person suffering was someone they cared about.

I despise personal attacks.

often what we dislike in others is what we are seeing reflected of ourselves. :)

Often that is the case.

I support personal attacks, because when attack specific person need proof & convincing logic. Besides that, personal attacks easier to spread.

because when attack specific person need proof & convincing logic.

Not at all. They can simply disengage from the conversation because the personal attack doesn't add value to the conversation itself. What this does is close those that personally attack out of having influence in the conversation.

You are right, in conversation is like that, but when the views are contradictory, clearly we tend to attack to the other party's perception. I think it's a kind of personal attack. This happens often in my country, by different political views altogether, many conversations have no end.
Oh How suprised, You are a dolphin!
I'm a plankton :(

Conversation should be endless, personal attacks end discussion, polarize and are destructive for less gain than without.

Why surprised?

It is endless for the ego of the dialogue partners, according to my experience, the party will not be able to use evasion or change the subject, if not awake will not determine win and lose. This is important to me if I am discussing political topics. I do not know your country, but in my country, there are too many people who support one-party and dictatorship. We must fight right in our own homes. :(
I was surprised because I did not intentionally reply to the account of the dolphin or whale. And a dolphin or whale who has time to write is pretty rare, at least with the Steemit community of Vietnam is like that. :)

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