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RE: [ANN] Introducing Dustsweeper. A new service to turn Dust into Profit.

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I thought @davemmcoy was just going to run around for the rest of time upping people's dust votes. You know, the personal touch! :) Okay, automating is probably better. I mean why not have one more bot?

So, question. I believe grumpycat is on their way out, but they have madpuppy around who I believe in part is at least upholding the grumpy cat compliance on bidbots. I know this isnt' a bid bot, but I'd really hate for this bot to run afoul of either because they didn't want to differentiate. I think the problem has always been when the vote occurs, not who or what makes the vote.

And since the grumpycat compliance is for no later than 3.5 days, and the stated dustsweeper voting timing is on the sixth day, it would seem like there could be an issue. I'm not an expert. I'm just voicing a concern.

Anyway. I didn't see anyone else bring this up, and so I just wanted to throw it out there for what it's ultimately worth. Good luck with this new initiative. :)

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Poor Dave he would be run ragged if he needs to do that.

Good catch on the Grumpy cat though

Thank you. I've been learning, as you have, that it doesn't really matter when it comes to these kinds of things to people. I wonder if they lead such strict and unyielding moral lives in the real world as they do here? I guess it's one thing to do things the way you do because you believe them, and there's certainly room to try to influence people to your side, but to go out of your way to hunt down 'offenders' day in and day out because they don't conform to your own sometimes rather arbitrary and narrowed outlook on things? I don't know. Doesn't sit very well. Especially when among those folks are the worst offenders of the so called violation.

Well said Glen! I always think that it must be very difficult living inside that kind of person.

Oh, it probably is, and most of us are glad we're not and will probably try somehow to feel sorry for them or justify their actions. And while I believe a person can change, and I also believe in turning the other cheek, I also believe that we are responsible and accountable for own actions and outside of some kind of mental heath issue, we can control our behavior. So, tortured soul or not, there are still choices being made. There's benefit of the doubt, and then there's blind faith, and I don't think the latter is required.

Again, I agree.

we can control our behavior.

even though a large percentage of the population has a terrible case of excusitis :)

(yes, I know, but it should be a word:)

Don't look now, but apparently excusitis was submitted to Collins Online English Dictionary back in 2012:

A mediocre person who is suffering from the sickness of a mental disease of MAKING EXCUSES every time that aren't made by the successful person.

As of today, it's approval is still under investigation. I guess it was previously used in a book called The Magic of Thinking Big, a self-help, motivational book by David Schwartz.

There, once again you know more about something than you ever wanted or needed to know. :)

Yeah Grumpy Cat is just a bully who found a platform that by having enough stake he/she/it can push around people and place them hostage to his narrow ideals and he/she/it has the fall to comment and say rubbing it in with a higher uovote on the shitty comment.

I think they have to be more than just a bully. They have to be someone fairly familiar with the platform. It was also a very specific request. No last minute voting for bots, in fact 3.5 days no more. Comply or else. So, while obviously a bully, the person needed to not only know the ends and outs of voting, but also needed to know the fastest way to get a surrogate count up and running (the one that would upvote its own comments numerous times), and then, of course, they had to have all the coin in order to buy in. If I remember right, the g-cat account was set up in November of last year. So, that wasn't a whole lot of time to suddenly learn the ropes, and I don't think just any investor shows up with a bunch of money, finds something they don't like, throws their weight around and then begins to power down without really having any other concerns on the platform.

said perfectly Glen! if my vp wasn't at 66% you would get a full upvote for that one... Honestly I couldn't agree more!

Well, then, you're off the hook. :)

I didn't ever expect a place that virtually has no rules to have people that try to enforce their own by force. I was hoping for reasoned arguments. And while some of that goes on, there's a lot of might makes right. And some people think that's perfectly fine in a place with no rules. Well, outside of a real stake in STEEM to protect, I don't know that any of the folks would be very happy if what happens here were happening in their country, or state. And some people actually do have that happening, and then they end up here and see it all over again. Even the escape doesn't really constitute an escape.

There are oases thankfully, and you've been helping to create and maintain some of them, but waters are infested will all kinds, and they seem to like to exercise whatever bit of power they think they have.

lol Mav! Are you still up or did you go to sleep and already up again? And thanks to Daniel I am not running myself ragged!

Hahaha I was able to get some sleep after explaining and sharing teh wonderful project that you have.

Good thing because we need you commenting and inspiring minnows and Redfishes instead of running after dust bunnies hahahha

Good to hear that Mav! I was starting to worry :P

lol... that is very funny Glenn! I tried for a couple days but thankfully @danielsaori has the skills needed to automate the process. :)

As far as it being a problem, I would hope it wouldn't be... but we already have one warm and welcoming individual that has decided that he is going to crusade against it... See bottom of comments if you want to see his objections. So it will be what it is, I hope sincerely that people in the community support it and it is a valuable service. But if there are enough madpuppies or others that want to "take it down", then I guess we will have to find out.

I think it is awesome that you like it, and as the reigning King of Comments I'm happy to have your voice of support for the effort! :)

I'm not sure if I was rubberstamping it per se, as much as I was acknowledging that at least you'll be able to focus some energies elsewhere. :) I'm betting you had quite a bit of fun doing it.

You're right, though, we will see whether or the community let's this initiative prevail or not. Since I haven't gotten an answer to where all the dust goes when it's not rewarded, be it burned, null or go back to Steemit, it would be nice to keep it in play. I'm just not sure how this vote bot plays into the whole curation scheme of things, especially on comments that are mainly rewarded for participation rather than content. I do hope, though, that it does what you believe it will do.

Since I haven't gotten an answer to where all the dust goes when it's not rewarded, be it burned, null or go back to Steemit

On that initial post by @sircork, he clarified in the comment section that the unpaid votes went in to the pool, @glenalbrethsen.

Which again upped my mini rant count the evening I read through and responded to post and comments. ;)

lol, which post did I say that on? It's true. I'm 99% sure anyway... but now I don't remember when and where I talked about it. :D

OMGosh!!!

@SirCork, it seems I have you on my mind!!! My HUMBLEST apologies!!!

I should have said @TimCliff's post.

Please forgive? ;)

PS Yes, I've commented on that rule a few enough places that I meant to gather up all of the comments and put in one post.

Still haven't done it yet though. ;)

hah, no need to forgive, I appreciate being thought of! :D

I admit I didn't realize that there was so much more to the post in the comments, but I found where timcliff said it goes back to the rewards pool and I read your two longer replies.

I can't believe it's almost been a month since that post came out! It seemed like a couple of weeks ago.

The rewards pool. Well, interesting. The one thing I guess we can take from this is, as long as all dust votes on a post or comment get to the 2-2.5-3.0 threshold (whatever it truly is, since it seems to be a moving target), the payout to the author occurs. And what this initiative here would hope to do is make all posts and comments with upvotes below the threshold get above it.

I certainly prefer if someone votes on something that their small rewards be counted to the author rather than going back to the rewards pool. I just wish it didn't require someone else coming by and creating a means to make it happen that will basically be supplementation through another amount coming from the rewards pool. I don't know. Better just to watch things as they unfold. As I replied to Dave, in the grand scheme of things, this is not a platform destroyer, and as such, that makes it better than a lot else going on. :)

I can't believe it's almost been a month since that post came out! It seemed like a couple of weeks ago.

I KNOW!!!

It seems a short time, but to tell you the truth, I realize it's about a month simply because my upset has cooled down so much. It affected me for about a week and a half at least.

I certainly prefer if someone votes on something that their small rewards be counted to the author rather than going back to the rewards pool.

Absolutely. We're not upvoting for the value to go to anything or anyone or anywhere else than the author we upvote.

I'm truly hoping our wonderful Witnesses will all vote the silly rounding down rule out of existence, @glenalbrethsen. ;)

Right, @SirCork, @danielsaori, @TimCliff, et al? ;)

That would be interesting to see if they could actually vote it down. I mean, I understand they can make recommendations, but anyway, might be parsing words. What I understand about the dust vote is, if all the dust votes were calculated, it would be an unnecessary computational load on the blockchain. I don't know what that means, as in to what degree. I don't know what's favorable, or what's not. I don't even know if it's an issue.

However, if it is, it's only going to become a bigger issue if the masses do ever show up here. We've got more small fish than ever before, and the amounts will only grow from here if/when HF 20 drops.

So, it would be cool to know just what can be done about the dust vote and whether it will be done. :)

Too late, I already inked the rubber stamp... :P

I understand your point... You don't want to have a full opinion until you have time to see how it works, and what the other points of view are on the subject... That is fair... You are a thinker that I think I have valued your opinion every time, so I hope you will put the thinking cap on and the observation goggles and see how this plays over the next few days and weeks!

If there's anyone here who has earned a rubberstamp, it would be you. :)

As you say, I'm hesitant to pronounce anything one way or another until I see it in action. I have done it a time or two, but only because they rang true. Thankfully, they're still holding true as far as I know.

In the grand scheme of things, though, since we love to talk in degrees here, the relative harm that can be done is small, and the relative good it can do reward-wise to participating individuals, also small, with the boost to morale of those involved still to be determined. :)

I have been meaning to get to this for more than a day... I wanted to say, thank you for that very kind thing you said... And I do agree with you about the grand scheme of things, as I said there is no much I ever disagree with you about! Always reasonable and have your feet on the ground... And haven't had a chance to get to Asher's post, but I did see where you lost the crown... I think you will get it right back, but I do think you have been stellar for so long you should be very proud! I will pay you compliments over there, I think I can make it there in a few min :P

It's okay. It's now 22 hours since you wrote this message and I'm only barely catching up to it. And aside from making my main comment and then responding to replies, I haven't done a whole lot over there, still. And then I have my own feed to catch up with. So, there's always a lot to do and not seemingly enough time to do it in.

I'm not sure how someone even makes 1300-plus comments in a week, but apparently it's possible. So me dropping out of first wasn't as secure as ya'll were trying to make it seem. :) I feel like I've been accomplishing some good things, but of course I'd rather be at the top. I'm working to get back there, and so we'll see what happens. I'm comforted in the fact that even with the amount of comments made, my CL was quite a bit higher, which means if I can get it up again into the 200,000s, I can get back on top, barring another 400 or more comments, or whatever the equivalent would be.

I have no doubt that you will be right there in the hunt.... I think its actually good to break a streak so that you can start a new one... I actually felt a lot less pressure once I lot my crown... But something tells me that you and Lynn will both be there every week in the hunt!

ps... I know exactly what you mean about catching up on the blogs and everything else, I also have my steem price post to get to and I know you have a comment over there too... I hope I get to it tonight... I am definitely going to sleep by midnight... I don't like those mornings after the 3am nights. Have a good one and talk to you again (hopefully soon) :)

FYI, I didn't make it... Going to sleep... Hopefully I get closer to catching up to that post tomorrow! Have a good evening Glen! :)

Luckily for Dave we got the bot running so he doesn't kill himself running it manually. :)

I see the point about grumpycat. Hopefully it won't be an issue. This is after all not a bid bot and it has a completely different focus. Also, the per post/comment upvote value is so small.
There could still be some abuse and we are considering different possibilities to fight that atm.

Thanks for your comment Glen!

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