RE: My new thought on something to say to pro-communist people...
Well you have no means of production so you have to work for someone that have them, building your own is possible but it would require resources and money, while you are looking for a job to get money.
You are very fixated on cherry picking. In a voluntary society I don't HAVE to do anything. I choose to do things. I can also choose to live, or to die. I can choose what I am willing to do for what, and those choices are none of your damn business. If one person and I make a contract that is between me and them and you sticking your nose into it is wrong. It has zero to do with you. Simple. Mind your own business, make your own choices, don't fucking try to make mine.
And yes I am being passionate.
If you and a bunch of people want to build a communist society. Go for it.
Just don't force others to do what you want. You can voluntarily try whatever you want.
As soon as you need to force others to achieve your goals then you are a force of evil.
You want to physically fight over it (Hypothetically speaking to all would be communists, socialists)? Bring it on. I'll die before I become a slave.
Voluntary contracts are not slavery.
Involuntary (aka force) is.
You don't have to, do that but choice between working for capitalist or dying is a choice or an ultimatum? We are all in a society, not a cave with two people, so in one way or the other your deal will affect lives of others, while one has money and power others are trying to survive, that is how free they are. And ofcourse it is not your concern.
If you and a bunch of people want to build a communist society. Go for it.
-well the problem is that there is other society that likes to force people do the opposite
Just don't force others to do what you want. You can voluntarily try whatever you want.
-governments duty is to control and force people otherwise how is it a government
As soon as you need to force others to achieve your goals then you are a force of evil.
-why is that?
I'll die before I become a slave.
Voluntary contracts are not slavery.
Involuntary (aka force) is.
-can you give an example?
If YOU cannot make a choice but MUST comply then you have a MASTER.
I shouldn't need to give you an example, the concept is very simple.
Then it should not be hard to make an example