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Comments bring engagement, but can also bring spam, trolling or hate to the page being viewed. Some sites don't allow comments, and some have tried but removed them. Comments can quickly escalate from a positive addition to the post in some way -- to add info or correct it -- but can also easily become negative or "toxic" and no longer add anything relevant to the topic at hand.


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With all the spam and trolling abusers out there leaving comments, it might be better if we could test the commenter on whether they have read that content they are about to respond to. There could be a popup asking a few questions in multiple choice about what the content was about. This would filter in two ways: 1) the people who didn't read -- and likely didn't have much of relevance to add -- would have a harder time answering correctly, and 2) many people who don't really have anything meaningful to say will just not want to be bothered trying in the first place.

In order to comment, you would need to prove you actually read what you claim to be commenting about. Spam would be more easily filtered, but trolls often do read and have mean things to say just because they want to. They are willing to go through the extra effort to try to get the attention they want.

A Norwegian broadcaster, NRK, has made this decision recently, where a quiz will ask commenters about the story before letting them comment. They hope forcing people to take 15 seconds will calm them down and reduce the emotional responses and anger in quick reactionary comments. The tool will present multiple choice questions (like knowing the right acronym from the story) and ensure that everyone who does comment actually knows what they are talking about before they can comment.

“If you spend 15 seconds on it, those are maybe 15 seconds that take the edge off the rant mode when people are commenting,” said Marius Arnesen, editor of NKRbeta.

Some people might think this would work on Steemit, but despite similar issues with a lack of real engagement on posts, this wouldn't work for the blockchain because anyone can bypass the front-end sites like Steemit that would have this feature. You don't need to use a site to vote, post or comment on the blockchain.

The "toxic" comments aren't the only thing being looked at as "toxic", but whole content itself. Google recently announced it will be working with the Vietnamese communist government to quash "toxic" content and "illegal information" from Google. As usual with communist controllers, they don't tolerate much dissent. Anti-government talk is toxic to the commie government. No kidding.

Google is eying Vietnam since it's one of Asia's fastest growing economies, which makes it a hot target for investment, like developing global consumer brands. It has worked well in other places like China, despite their continued silence of dissidents.

I think it's interesting and worth a try. If you really want to comment, you can answer 4 questions about what you read. It's a small price to pay to make sure other people are doing the same. Too bad the only way to combat comment spam or whatnot on Steem right now is individually by telling people about their comments or with flags. A feature would work for the people who use the front-end sites like steemit, busy, etc., but not for people who spam with bots or use the backend to input data into the blockchain. However, it would reduce the load of crap comments coming from the interface sites at least. I don't think it will ever be implemented, but it's an interesting idea I wanted to present anyways :P

Do you like the idea of testing or quizzing before commenting?
Will this help get rid of useless comments alone, or also reduce the overall amount of relevant comments?


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The way this will be handled, in the future, is by something similar to a black list. You know your friends and those who post regularly. Even the ones who disagree. (good disagreers are hard to find) and so, you know who to white list.

The black list is hard, because currently it is viewed as system wide. But really, it should be more of a group level thing. Or, you subscribe to a friend/service that has the same outlook as you and has the time / takes the time to weed out the good from the bad.

As steemit grows, this will become even more necessary as following the entirety will become too hard / impossible.

So, I see the solution as filters. Both macro and micro filters. Both group and individual filters.

Good idea! Custom filters made by people, that anyone can "subscribe" to. Like it a lot!

I probably would comment less. I feel like my comments are relevant.. Reading the article and commenting takes enough time without adding a quiz between haha! It would completely get rid of bots and the typical good posts, plz follow posts. I don't know where I stand on that. Im still a new user, not big or popular enough t have bots showing up all the time, it would be annoying though. So, basically.. sucks for you haha! You will figure it out though, then I can use your strategy before my posts start being over run with it..

Reading the article and commenting takes enough time without adding a quiz between haha!

LOL, Yeah that's one major issue. It's not much of an issue maybe for individuals, but overall it adds up to a lot of useless posts. Ah wellz.

What about a crappy image verify. It would work decent. Lots of things in crypto already use them. They probably stop some bots. I don't know what the best solution is, it does need to be discussed and addressed though!

That only means you can read the image verify, not that you read the content lol. The original point is about getting meaningful comments. A verify image would help for bot spam for sure

good points Pbock and Krnel. We gotta start somewhere though. I don't know. I owuld still respond from time to time if I had a quiz to do as well, It would just be more rarely. Only when I wanted to argue probably haha! If I just wanted to throw a link thats related and give a different perspective, I might not be excited enough to bother with the quiz after Ive read it.. Its good to start thinking of ideas though. Spam comments do suck, and something needs to be done!

I think it will have to come down to individual behavior to deal with other people's individual behavior lol.

Well, Crappy Image verification is NOT going to stop bots build from today onward.
With our current technology, it won't be too long before a basic guide/code template for bots that can easily bypass captcha and image verification becomes common place.

Bypassing a quiz that asks for knowledge of the post, especially if you have to actually understand the post (no "what was the first word on the second line" or "what is the main subject of the post") would require relatively good AI, which would need more space to be hosted and/or time to be created, which would reduce their prevalence (unless, of course, someone begins selling them specifically for that purpose).

I imagine questions like
" in this post, which of these did the author recommend for stopping stupid comments?

  1. kill those #€!!!€#
  2. Force them to read it ! time the bastards.
  3. Get them to prove they read it !
    "

Most Plz follows and Good Post would, indeed, be eliminated this way, or the poster would unknowingly be forced to actual ingest the post before posting, which might tempt them to actually comment something more interesting than just "Amazing post, I love you... Love me back !!!"

You have indeed pointed a out a very real problem with a platform like this (any pretty much any place that allows comments), but I'm not sure the solution is that practical though I'm interested in the results from the trial run that they are trying. I can't decide on an opinion on the idea as I like some aspects and worry about others.

I personally see two ways something like that can be abused. The first option would be for the author to put subjective things in the answers and in this way filtering out comments on the basis of opinion.

The second thing that might happen is for a market for an automated way to break this type of quiz-to-comment like there is one for Captchas. A service like this could probe the possible answers from a few IPs and thus learn the correct answers and then provide them to people building algorithms leaving spammy comments. Since the bar for commenting would be higher, spammy comments might end up being more valuable to the spammer who has the technical ability to clear it.

In a way spammers and honest publishers are always going to be playing a game of cat and mouse and you also see that on steem/steemit. Spamming on a large scale is always a profitable enterprise even when the community is actively fighting against it as there are always enough gullible people to fall for it. In the case of this platform to give a generic automated comment like "I agree with you" an upvote and in the more general internet case to follow a dubious link and to possibly even to purchase a dubious product.

I don't really support it. It was an idea from what other people are doing because of issues they have. Steemit isn't big yet, but maybe in the future something like this, on a voluntary author basis, might be desired by some authors. Maybe clever people get by it anyways, but the authors might welcome a reduction in overall crap and let those who care to do a quiz get through, while maybe some spam still does.

It is an interesting concept indeed and sure worthy of exploration. Do you think there would be any way to actually build something like that into the blockchain itself, not just the interface? Like solving the quiz correctly would give you a specific posting key to allow you to post under a specific post? I'm kind of shooting in the dark since I don't really understand the underlying technology that well.

An overall reduction in spam would be welcome and it's the most one could actually hope for. You are right that the fact that we can't stop all spam doesn't make stoping some spam useless.

unfortunately making it harder to participate even with a simple quiz may be a turn off for some as we are use to the rapid fire pace of normal social media. It's hard to go backwards when our attention spans are shorter and shorter - or at least that's my view.

Its an interesting point tho!

use to the rapid fire pace of normal social media. It's hard to go backwards when our attention spans are shorter and shorter

Good points ;)

My attention span is only short when what is in front of me is not worth reading!
If it is worth reading, I will read it - my attention span is flexible. ;-)

As in other similar cases, the important thing is to change the balance - in this case the balance between bot-activity and human.

So, instead of making it harder for humans, what about making it harder for bots? For example, use the cookies to verify a real online user and blacklist the bots.

This may stop some of the script-kiddies, but the fundamental issues remain: we can all interact with the blockchain at the system level - if we know how to - and therefore the user interfaces (UIs) such as Steemit have to do something clever that adds to the blockchain a non-trivial parameter.

I don't, as yet, have a great solution to this! :-)

On Steemit, they want bots, so the high SP people can make money curating, since they are discouraged from voting and controlling the allocation of rewards in a small group of highest SP users.

I wish we could all care about doing the best behavior on the platform, but ppl have their own motivations for their own gain.

i think this is interesting for medias like NRK (news and media publishers)

but on more like a social network that i feel steemit is, i think the community should be the "moderators" by only upvoting good comments, and flagging abuse. one of the really interesting thing with the blockchain is that the info is stored forever, and therefore can be used with little to none censorship of ideas. unfortunately then we also get alot of spammers and some trollers, but on a social platform like this i think we as a community just should moderate without a quiz or similar alternatives!

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Yeah, it's simpler if we self-regulate ;)

Interesting idea, one I've never heard of before. I don't know how effective it would be, maybe it would annoy good folks more than it would deter spammers? I mean, you seem to get a lot of awesome comments, and yes there are spammy ones, but the good vastly outweigh the bad on your page that's for sure!

Yup, it's not too much of an issue here, yet. Annoy people it would indeed. But other sites are more popular, and they have more issues hehe.

Touche my friend, touche...

I would actually rather not have to work so hard to use the site. Keep usage easy for the masses, only punish the abusers. Maybe a bot that recognizes strings of words like "follow you follow me" etc. The bot can "suspend" the account for a day after 3 strikes. If it's a spam account, they won't keep it up for long.

As far as "calming people down", when has putting someone on hold calmed them down? Lol. It feels like they are trying to buy some time to censor comments, imo.

What do you mean "suspend" the account?

Perhaps keeping it from commenting for 24 hrs.

There's no way to do that, as krnel said in his post.

Hiding them then. There has to be a way to make it hard for spammers without flagging. Flagging opens up flag wars and that isnt good for business.

What do you mean hiding them?

Yeah, a report feature to report problem users, who then get a threshold that enables a quiz feature since they are known to be a problem poster, or suspend them for 3 days lol ;)

buy some time to censor comments

If they wanted to censor comments, they would just do that ;)

It's a good idea. There is little point in commenting on something that wasn't read or wasn't reflected on enough to be understood but everyone still does it. Waste of time for the OP and other commentators.

Yeah, attention seeking (for money on Steemit) :P

TL;DR, but upvoted nonetheless!

(I am joking of course! ;-) )

lol, best comment on topic I read today ;-)

Have a tiny upvote for that hilarity! :D

I'll chip in a couple cents for the laugh too.

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