I think it's just that it's known corporate influences suppress the solutions... Everyone agrees pollution is bad. the only blaming I see being done is the blaming of climate change on people...perhaps with chemtrails, HARRP, and even cow burps may play a part in it, but those things ought to be addressed regardless. Fundamentally we all agree what is happening and what needs to be done....certain correlations perceived as causation are only an issue to those who realize the claims of causation are used to further regulate the general population and NOT the corporations imposing the narratives and the rules. Noticing corruption doesn't mean someone is a conspiracy theorist and it doesn't mean they aren't scientific minded. I don't know if any of that really made the point I was going for... I think you guys are talking about completely different topics upon which I think you'd agree if you would see past the idea that there is a disagreement in the first place. Anyway, "completely covered"? as in ...2" of water on the road (and in the tubes) or you can't see the tops of the buildings, cause I've heard that many times with no clarification and it sounds like it means the tops of the buildings ...it's always "completely covered by water"...so the ocean gets like a mile deeper or what? anyway, I hope we can all get along while we figure this out. seems like we must have the same goals...to live in a healthy environment, free, etc...