hi @bozz, .. i worked in germany for a few years and the cloudy Hefe-Weizen beer was everywhere, .. its the only time i went through a few months of drinking it but its a bit too sweet really. i also went to the Octoberfest in Munich where large jugs (ooerr) of Lowenbrau were had. i just cant handle the volume nowadays... almost stayed over there, lifestyle is great.