How scammers are destroying Steemit and what we all can do about it.

in busy •  2 months ago

Steemit is undoubtedly the best revenue sharing social media platform. On the other hand, however, this reward sharing mechanism has given room to greed, spam and scammers who want to take advantage of the reward system for their own benefits. So if we all do not unite as one against scammers, then we will have ourselves to blame. Here are some few points:

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Flooding the system with daily 5 to 10+ short posts: If you go to popular tags ( relating to cryptocurrencies, steem , steemit et al) you will notice that some writers in the trending pages post more than 5+ times daily (with short lines) earning an average of 150+ SBD meaning that others who spend quality time to post once or max 2xms daily might not have the opportunity to make it due to vote sharing mechanisms used by the same people . This issue has been written by some steemians, one example is @berniesanders even though his posts are far from perfect , at least he do talk about the issues sometimes.

** Stealing from all: **please go to the account of @checkthisout and then go to the comment sections of his posts and see how his comments were upvoted here : https://steemit.com/sbdtothemoon/@checkthisout/sbd-ta-projection-for-jan-2018 and https://steemit.com/sbd/@checkthisout/sbd-correction . This issue is currently not known to many whales (please resteem and upvote this post for others to see) and most worringly , only few has acted- example @lukestokes (one of my favorite steemian and witness) who in his post : Whales: You Have Some Flagging to Do exposed this extreme case of theft. Worringly, If it goes unresolved, we will certainly see decline in revenue sharing here because few decided to take all for themselves without thinking about others who are playing by the rules. I refer you also to the latest post by @lexiconical : Why Do We Bother To Create Content At All? where he exposed such scams.

On the other hand, however, I do know that some steemians, examples, @stellabelle , @ats-david , @transisto , @spaminator , @steemcleaners , @sherlockholmes , @personz , @pfunk, @patrice , @clayboyn , @fyrstikken , @ausbitbank , @jerrybanfield (and others not mentioned here) are working behind the scenes to stopping or at least reducing scams and spams here. Moreover, they need to know about the afore-mentioned scams and we all should help them in fighting against these types of thefts. Even though some might think that it is not their business, however remember that we all are steemains and have to defend our platform!!!.

What do you guys think? Send in your comments, please upvote and resteem this post in order for others to see it and join the discussion.

Please see my former post: Is Steemit the solution to Facebook Monopoly? (2)

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Whatever, Mr. Disinformation at it again.

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@hilarski , I noticed that you only comment to make a false point and upvotes your comments...makes me wonder your intentions? very disappointed. Be real and face reality!!!

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So if this is disinformation, could you explain this to me? I am a newbie here, not really sure what to make of all this. This does look like total scam, though...
https://steemit.com/sbd/@checkthisout/sbd-correction
I guess some folks just have a "make money at any cost" mentality, too. I quit upvoting my comments when I got my slider bar, sort of feels like it is time to let my comments earn on their merits, but that is just me.

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Good point, ask him. And he normally dont respond...just make a useless comment and then upvotes it.

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Good point, @lukestokes already got my vote. Comments are great however such abuse by some people is bad

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I also never vote my own comments.
As the scam shows, it is easy to make a second account, post with it and then upvote those comments. So if we blocked self voting or self voting comments, the problem could still exist.
I like @charles1 's idea of limiting the number of posts per day but that wouldnt work for comments. We want comments and engagement. Maybe you create max upvote values on comments and maybe limit the number of comments you can vote on in a thread. This could also create issues because I like to upvote good comments in my own threads. So I wouldnt want a max. Maybe you can only vote for another user account once in a thread.
I think everyone should follow @lukestokes as he does a great job of flagging this type of behavior and bringing light to the issue.
Throw him a witness vote as well, he does great things for the platform!

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Good point, @lukestokes already got my vote. Comments are great however such abuse by some people is bad

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I don't understand, why is this disinfo? Have you read his post and checked out the @checkthisout account blogs and comments?

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@benjojo , thanks for your comment. unfortunately, @hilarski comment sometimes without reading the post and upvotes his comments eventhough it is mostly out of point...

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Pleasure. How infuriating!

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same here bud..wish you a blessed holiday season...more success

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Proving the article’s point eh?

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what do you like about the post?

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My favorite part is that the very behaviors you mention in the post as being toxic are running rampant in the comments! It’s like they didn’t even ready it...

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Lol you are right.... some people are really weird

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mind elaborating a bit ?

anyways goes to show nobody rewards communication, no upvotes on comments, no reason to reply ... no conversation :D anyways, I respect you @hilarski hence you get a free pass, I have other reasons for not liking this post but I wouldn't call it disinformation, I don't like the steem shillery :D truth is there is corruption and when you tie money to anything there will be some of that... people are people :| good or bad ...

i don't have an issue with the number of posts people make if they're of some level of substance. if you have a following and you engage with people and they engage with you, then you're bringing something to the platform, regardless of how large the payout may be.

i DO, however, have a huge fucking problem with people like @checkthisout (who must also be @grumpycat, who upvoted every single one of those comments on @checkthisout's post). THAT right there is objectively and subjectively a bullshit way of earning rewards from the site, i don't care who you are.

i keep seeing that kind of crap all over the site, which is more than frustrating, and expressed my concern with that very post myself here:

https://steemit.com/steemit/@bucho/this-type-of-self-voting-garbage-is-why-i-m-over-steemit-as-a-legitimate-platform

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Good point, thanks for your comment

We defintly all should be helping in this fight against spam and the many scammers that have been on steemit for a long time , when you have a platform like this one that rewards people in steem crypto , for sure your going to get spammers and scammers trying to gain the system in their favor and getting away with it i might add ! Koodos to those that are trying to do something about it , but steemit needs to also find a way to reduce this type of behavior as well and make it much harder for this to happen to begin with ! great post @charles1 ! upped and resteemed , I help when I can . 👌✌👍 Good night my friend ! 😴😴😴

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Good point my friend...thanks for your comment

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Your very welcome !👌👍✌💕

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It doesn’t really work that way

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why bot?

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Dont beg for follows or upvotes ! this is why your repution is so low because pwople are flagging you for spamming everyone ! you will soon be at zero , Im not going to flag you but im trying to help you if you ever want to succeed on steemit !

I agree. This to me is extremely sad. More often than not, i spent hours on each post, because i want to share my ideas with people. And i see a ton of people doing the same thing. And this should really be the driving factor behind participating in the site. This site is an amazing oppurtunity for us to reward true passion, and allow people to have an income by telling us about what they love. Unfortunately, some people abuse this, and use it exclusively for making money. This is sad to see, as they do not create any value for the website, they only remove it.
They write a few words, and make several hundred dollars. Meanwhile a ton of users spend hours writing amazing articles, only to recieve a few cent, if they're lucky.

This needs to be changed. Maybe by banning bots, i do not know. But if we want steemit to succeed, something must be done.

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Good point , I agree. However those with multiply posts on treding pages do not normally use bots, they share votes with their gangs...

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speaking of....

Congratulations! This post has been upvoted from the communal account, @minnowsupport, by charles1 from the Minnow Support Project. It's a witness project run by aggroed, ausbitbank, teamsteem, theprophet0, someguy123, neoxian, followbtcnews/crimsonclad, and netuoso. The goal is to help Steemit grow by supporting Minnows and creating a social network. Please find us in the Peace, Abundance, and Liberty Network (PALnet) Discord Channel. It's a completely public and open space to all members of the Steemit community who voluntarily choose to be there.

If you would like to delegate to the Minnow Support Project you can do so by clicking on the following links: 50SP, 100SP, 250SP, 500SP, 1000SP, 5000SP. Be sure to leave at least 50SP undelegated on your account.

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Thanks bot

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youre post very good i love it

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what do you love about the post?

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what do you like about the post?

There is a lot scamming going on right now on Steemit it's very discouraging

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Have you seen the page that just says placeholder over and over and every comment I'd upvote they talk about it here https://steemit.com/steemit/@lexiconical/why-do-we-bother-to-create-content-at-all-better-to-abuse##@viraldrome/re-lexiconical-why-do-we-bother-to-create-content-at-all-better-to-abuse-20171228t072246305z

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That is terrible..have to expose it too

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I agree and we should expose them all...hopefully others will join

Completely agree with you on this. If scammers exploit the platform just for the greed of money, the content quality is ought to degrade. Thus destroying a very big effort of the innovators. Unfortunately, greed is a big problem to be handled where payouts come in picture. It would be interesting to see how SteemIT and its community tackle this problem.

we need to destroy the spammers. they don't belong to the steemit community.

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Good point, lets start by exposing them

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These guys(Scammers) do spoil this platform and something should be done to improve it. I do laugh when someone out of no where just say good job, please upvote and follow me without even reading the content. Some of these guys should be flagged out

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I agree with you those people just copy and paste such comments everywhere and they end up as losers isnt it?

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Yeah.... Their more focus is on money not on sharing which is just disgusting

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there are the another ones who just post "Good job" "nice post" "i upvoted you, follow me" c'mon! we need more originality here!

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Yes those are comment spams and very bad

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charles1, please don't tag steemcleaners with every comment like this. We are getting flooded with mentions.

Reporting the user once is enough. Also, please fill our abuse form instead (with one form per abuse not all comments by one abuser), as we don't always follow up on each mention.

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After hacking I hate most about the Internet is Scam.. It is worst than everything.... We should take necessary steps about this regard..

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You are correct, I agree

I fully support you on this. It’s funny that I wrote a post about spam posts just today. I hope we’re not spamming Steemit with posts about spam this week :P. Let’s do all we can to stamp out the dishonesty here though.

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Good point, lets expose spams ...thanks for your comment

Such mining techniques aren't scams, they are efficient ends to a particular means that is currently allowed in the current codebase. If you want to stop this type of behavior, then you have to change the code, because you sure as hell are not going to change human nature.

Whether such efficient mining techniques within this "proof-of-brain" system are ethical is a good question. But greedy people don't care about ethics. They only care if such techniques are valid (in that they work). And rewards farming in such a manner is valid given the current protocol and implementation.

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Good point, however am sure that you agree that it is unhealthy for steemit and such behaviour should be exposed.

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In the short term, yes. But we need a better long-term solution than simply flag the abuser.

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Good point, I agree

excellent material dear friend @ charles1. congratulations on the topic addressed.
I do not care much about the amount of materials published by an author, as long as their publications have a background work and a message, I think there are other cases where the pool is draining, for example the autovotes to all comments, the holders of multiple accounts, those who profit from spam, those who use bot for their own benefits.
I wish you a wonderful day

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Good point, I agree...thanks for your comment

Your first example is completely unfair to list on a post about scamming. @haejin built a following over the last few months of over 8k followers.
Some of those followers (myself included) were already here and stumbled upon his excellent content and have been enriched by it. Other people followed him over from youtube or twitter.

Haejin post his prediction about cryptocurrencies using Technical Analysis. He usually posts between 6-8 times a day. He does a morning post and an evening post about bitcoin and a few posts about other coins. He also does tutorial videos to help viewers to learn technical analysis and trading techniques. Haejins 8k + followers request analysis on as many as 50 coins a day.

Haejin posts are receiving as many as 10k views and as many as 1k upvotes. Many of his followers have purchased steem.

Please explain to me how growing a following of supporters, bringing many new people to steem, encouraging them to purchase steem power, and providing them with the content that they desire is deserving of being listed above @checkthisout as a scammer or abuser?

Is @davidpackman next? He is bringing new people to steem from youtube, he posts multiple times a day. If a whale finds his content compelling and starts upvoting it, will we call him a scammer too?

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Depends on how you see it. And you are the one who named Haejin when I might be refering to others who spam the system with poor contents....many fishes in the water isnt it?

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How coy of you. So do you include @haejin in with your spammers?

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you included him not me...never mentioned him ...so take your cynic comment to your post , not here...

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You didn't mention him. You mentioned a situation just like his. So if you think he is in the wrong call him out by name. If I'm mistaken and you aren't talking about him then please say so.

Posting the way you did, then saying "I might be referring to others" is about as weasely as it gets. Especially when you say this "Good point, lets expose spams ...thanks for your comment".

fyrstikken and transisto working behind the scenes to fight spam? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

fyrstikken = contentjunkie = total spam trash copypasta that has been going on for over a year and has sucked massive amoount from pool.

transisto = zer0hedge = total spam trash copypasta that has been going on for over a year and has sucked massive amoount from pool. Full CP, taken from original Zerohedge content without their permission.

There was another batch of accounts allowed just recently - hundreds from India (Before there were opened thousands from Pakistan, India Nigeria, Bangladesh, Indonesia and Venezuela)
There is so much plagiarism and copypasta now in "new" section that about 1 post in 30-40 is legit without any abuse covered by steemcleaners.
Atm, cheetah pretty much catches new user with every single comment (before it was mostly spammed by the same group until about end of October).

Both rich and poor scam equally.
I guess it is too difficult to spend 10 minutes to take photo with smartphone and then another 10-15 minutes to post it.
Or just write something short (even in your language to get rewarded by local community curators) liek daily thoughts.
Easier to just scam with /plagiarismcopypasta and trash I guess.

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Good point , Hope the community fish most scammers out. However scammers will always try to play the system

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Another thing. Sorry for being pain in the ass.

#introduceyourself / #introducemyself

The@introduceyourself / @introducemyself tag is for creating a post that tells us about you. Users are encouraged to use this tag exclusively for that, and not to reuse it. Basically, it is supposed to be used once for the initial introduction post :-)

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Good point, will act accordingly...thanks

Continuous exposure of these users will likely gain attention from bigger whales therefore this will stop them from scamming. Yet everyday there will be scammers. I wish you the best in calling these guys out. I think a lot of other foreign countries are doing something similar but in their own languages hence not easily searched and found. Very frustrating indeed.

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Good point, I agree with you. Unfortunately, this will never end however we will never stop the fight

you can't call people scammer for the numbers of posts daily, there is no rule been broken. just focus on your own work and God will bless you.

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Guess you dont understand a simple post before commenting...try read all , understand and comment accordingly and your reputation might rise

Well, all I can say is that the flag wars have now brought my attention to where the money is flowing here on steem. I am hesitant to say anything specific, because I may be completely censored at any time and have my reputation destroyed, something that I have worked very hard to build - I have posted MANY original contents, including many original musical works that took days or weeks in some cases, to build said reputation. I have now seen the darker side of steemit, whereas my standing could be DESTROYED in a matter of minutes by saying the wrong thing...

One of the prime reasons steemit appealed to me is the lack of censorship, but now I realize I am self-censoring here more than I would have on FaceBook, and that is SCARY, especially because I never invested more than my time on FB... really I hesitate to press the post button for these same reasons, because I am just a minnow and dont have whales I can turn to. I actually think the site might work better if there were posting limits and NO FLAGGING, wouldnt that make more sense?
Or, possibly one flag per day? But right the flagging abuse is rampant and seems to have hit such lows, and a great point made by many recently s : why would celebs want to move to such a platform - shucks I am even more hesitant to tell my friends about steemit after seeing the trending posts over the past weeks.

Blog More, Hate Less.

It's my new steemit motto - won't you join me?

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Your point is valid, I agree..however no need to fear rather post great contents and ignore the haters andbe positive..success to you.

right....🌴🌴🌴🌴🌴🌴🌴🌴🌴
you are great post...
steemit is big family...
l like steemit....👌👌👌👌👌👌

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what do you like about the post?

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l like steemit all subject all of this

Articles like this are a real turnoff for people new to Steemit, makes it sound like a pyramid scheme

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no need to be turned off ...there is more good side of steemit than bad side..however members have to report the scammers eventhough they will always come back.

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For someone new like me I'm not even sure I entirely understand the scam they were pulling. Anyone new here (ok, well maybe not anyone, by this I mean me lol) probably doesnt understand the reward pool, blockchain, how this is even a scam etc...

You're right on the money here @charles1 and this relates heavily to my recent post on the importance of organic followings.

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Good poin, thanks for your comment and great post, upped.

I’m appalled at what this place has turned into. Once it’s clean then I will consider becoming a regular again.

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Pls Dont allow those scammers to chase you out, because if you quite, then they will win.Steemit is great , however in any good thing, there will always be many bad people too. Keep steeming to more success.

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You are right. I just wish something was done about this sooner. However it’s going to be a challenge to completely stop this behaviour.

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I agree with you..seeing that you can make thousands of dollars daily here, many scammers will flood here to cheat the system. Unfortunately we all cant stop them but by esposing them, we show them that we are not fools. Great to share such posts with your contacts and keep posting here because we need good people like you.

Good points.. wherever money is involved greedy people will emerge. Big thumbs up to all people who are trying to stop this and make sure quality content is promoted!

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I agree with you...we keep exposing them so they know that we are not fools...more success my dear friend.

is it not possible to find them, issue a warning and then block their accounts if it continues? Its not right to allow this to continue, but what can we actually do to stop it from getting out oh hand?

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Good point, I agree. I think exposing them daily will help however scammers will always come with a new plan and we will catch and expose them again!!! an ongoing process, unfortunately.

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as long as we make people aware not to support them and if they see these post to report them to someone who can actually take action! is it possible to block the bots paying these people?

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why good job? did you read the post?

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