Everything will eventually go the way of MySpace unless you maintain it properly!

in #business5 years ago

I watched this video by ColdFusion today, about what killed MySpace.

ColdFusion is pretty cool. He occasionally does these vids talking about why things are the way they are, and explaining things.

I think he's pretty much right...though perhaps he put too much emphasis on the problem with creepers on MySpace. I don't really remember that much at all back then, and I was a kid on MySpace. I'm sure it happened, because it's the internet, but I personally think it was likely just the news being the news.

What I think actually killed MySpace was lack of innovation and allowing the site to languish.

I didn't know about all the problems with the site being written in Cold Fusion (no relation to the YouTube channel), and then later switched to .Net, but I do know quite a bit about programming. I know for a fact that you could likely rewrite the entire MySpace site in a month or a bit longer, with the right coders.

Everyone knows these days that the internet is full of pervs. Or rather, the world is full of pervs. Tons of people want to show you their penis. Girls these days probably get more dick pics than they get actual conversation. When guys slide into your DM's these days, they use lube.

Of course, MySpace really sucked when it came to privacy controls and filters and such...but that just comes back to lack of innovation.

After MySpace was already falling into the black they tried multiple redesigns...but that's just slapping "lipstick on a pig".

Far too often, the people that own and run these sites and apps don't understand them at all. You can't have someone run something that doesn't understand it. It's just going to fail. It would be like a random person being put in charge of a store selling things that they know nothing about. The only chance they would have is if they poured themselves into it and learned everything they could about the business. But the people in charge of these companies don't do that.

MySpace still isn't that bad. It actually could be redesigned to be a better usable site that people might like...but you'd have to know what you were doing. It couldn't just be a redesign of the look and feel. You would have to consider, intelligently, how to redesign everything and improve it. You'd also have to deal with the fact that everyone would just assume MySpace sucks from the start.

Over the years I have seen the start of what caused the MySpace fall happen over and over again...though it doesn't always result in the complete failure of the app or site. Often they come to their sense eventually and update the site.

It's such a pervasive problem in the industry that sometimes I wonder how many coders are actually employed by sites. How many of them lay off their best coders, then just occasionally redesign their sites?

Netflix itself is sort of suffering from this problem. In many ways their site has actually lost a ton of functionality over the years.

If you've ever used the Crunchyroll app, you'd know that that thing has been half broken for years.

And see, that's what happens with these sites. Their owners ignore them and they don't get updated or their bugs fixed for months or even years...and people get tired of it.

It's not that Facebook was any better than MySpace...it was utter crap and still is, it's just that people got tired of it. People started thinking about MySpace as a clunky horrible site and the users just started abandoning it.

Steemit themselves did this for a while...and how many of their users left them for SteemPeak or another interface? Or even left Steem altogether? They completely ignored the bot and spam and shit posting problems...and then, as crypto crashed, everyone left.

Have we already undergone our own MySpace exodus due to a lack of intelligent innovation on Steemit's part?

Sites and apps are not end products. Any coder knows that a program is pretty much never "done". When you write something, you can bring it to a point where you can sell it, and people can use it, but if you are running a service, you can't just abandon it and expect it to keep going. You have to continually buff and polish it and carve out extra details if you expect people to continue to use it like they did when it was brand new. If you don't...someone else is gonna come along with something new...and it doesn't even matter if their thing is better, because by that time, they might be tired of all the issues with your service, such that they'll at least try the new thing.

This actually almost happened with Facebook itself, when Google+ came along, but then they fucked up themselves with a change early on enough that everyone abandoned them.

Running a site or an app is like running a great ship. You either have to continuously perform maintenance...or eventually it's going to sink. Or, at the very least, you have to occasionally do a complete overhaul once it becomes obvious it's falling apart. Of course, if you wait too long, you'll have to try extra hard to get your customers back, because you fucked up and lost them all.

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No. MySpace was customizable. I redesigned my MySpace profile. Yeah, most people didn't do that. Some people did with the help of Google. You search for some code that would change the layout of MySpace, your page. I was doing that since around 2004. I joined Facebook in 2006 but was still customizing my MySpace even in 2008 and probably longer than that. Actually, I still have a MySpace as you can see in the link. Some people say MySpace is gone. But it is still here.

Yes, you may be right about the problems with MySpace and especially Facebook. I don't disagree completely with some of the problems that MySpace may have had.

I am not really aware of all of those problems with MySpace. I can't totally confirm how true they may be but it wouldn't surprised me. Maybe I'm too much of a computer geek nerd weirdo to notice. I don't know a lot of computer code but I was doing web design with Mea Omnia which died. So, i do know a thing or two about Word Press, some HTML and markdown code. But at the same time, I think that MySpace was better maintained than Facebook.

Yes, the principle is true that it is better when things are maintained enough and not too little. I hate Facebook and I wrote an article about that today. I prefer MySpace over Facebook.

The default layouts of MySpace was bulky, probably, and not as lean and as professional as Facebook, generally speaking, basically. However, MySpace had customization options that Facebook didn't. That is what I like about MySpace. It was like what a web builder is like to some extent. You could totally redesign your MySpace wall / timeline / profile / page completely. You could put videos anywhere on the screen, even in the corners, the footers, headers, stretched out, as many as you want. More customizable than Tagged. Upvoted. Resteemed.

Yeah, I customized my own MySpace. It might of been one of my first experiences with JavaScript. I sorta remember customizing this effect where things followed the mouse. I also had music on my page. That was of course before everyone freaked out about copyright.

The video sort of going into how MySpace had trouble due to originally designing their site with ColdFusion. Because of that they had trouble scaling and implementing new features that they needed, like privacy controls and spam filters, and things to protect the kids on there. They probably would have had to completely redo the site with custom code to be able to iron out the problems.

I do think that the concept of MySpace and general idea of the site was way better than Facebook. Having a custom space on the internet where you choose how your page looks without too much hassle is pretty cool. You don't have quite the control of building your own site...but you don't have the cost or difficulty either, and there are already tons of people there. When they started to lose users though...things didn't change from where it was for years after.

Years later, after they were sold several times, they finally did a complete overhaul...but they still didn't get the people back.

I should go redesign my MySpace...which I actually never deleted, and still exists, and I still get spam occasionally for.

But the current MySpace is not the MySpace from then. I don't know if it's cooler now, but back then it had issues that people weren't really happy with and it started to lose all it's users over a few months. I think it actually started before it was ever even sold the first time.

If I was rich though, and I could get MySpace for cheap enough, I would totally buy it, and very carefully update it to be better, while trying to not ruin it, as so often people that don't understand technology do to these sites and apps.

Great. In some ways, Steem is a decentralized version of MySpace in that each platform can design their own layout for Steem. For example, Steemit has their layout. But then Busy has a different layout for Steem.

I'm making like analogy. I know it is a bit different. I was working with a friend in 2011 on Mea Omnia, like I said, which was going to be a website like MySpace, Steemit, Facebook. Mea Omnia is Latin for My Everything. The project died. We were not making money. We gave up. But I am glad that projects like Minds, Gab, Steem, Bit Torrent, Ubuntu, and others, are rising. I like Substratum.

Sadly, I don't think you can do a lot of customization on MySpace as of 2019, right now. Maybe I'm wrong but last time I checked, there are not a lot options. They give you a few choices. Most of the people on MySpace now are musicians and especially sex bots.

I was in college in 2006 and my friends/classmates were on Facebook. So, I joined it for fun just so that I could befriend all my friends that I had in real life on Facebook as a game because I wanted to see if I could have more than 200 friends or so. My friends had around 200 friends. That was about how many students there were in that small college, ABC, in West Virginia. My MySpace had around 800 friends which was a big number at that time. My Facebook went on to get 5,000 friends and over 20,000 followers. Maybe more than that as I think Facebook has been stealing followers from me every once in a while. Plus, I've had a few of my Facebook accounts banned. But I digress.

It is too bad that people had issues with MySpace. I think people just want a simple product that is easy to use. MySpace was good for me as I could tweak with it. You too. But most people don't like to do what Tim Allen and Jay Leno like to do with tweaking up cars. To me, MySpace was like my Hot Rod.

Maybe we need a site called My Safe Space.com

Maybe a site called MeMeMe.com

I wish there was a SteemSpace or MySteem where people got more control over their Steem page. You can't even choose your home page's color really. There's at least a dark mode now though. Steemit's source code is available on Github under the name Condenser, and Busy's source is too. Someone could fork Condenser and give people a LOT more control over what they can do with their site.

I think people just want a simple product that is easy to use.

That's probably true for many...but it doesn't explain why so many left. They also could have made it a lot simpler to customize, with a WYSIWYG editor, or something like that. But they didn't change much of anything. I and others kept going back to our MySpaces for a long time occasionally...and it was still all the same. If they had tried harder to improve things, I think they wouldn't have lost so many.

Yes. Steem Space would be great with WYSIWYG. You know Facebook has been the same the past 15 years, basically. That is not really what matters. People felt like nobody was on MySpace and that everybody was on Facebook. That was the perception.

Why did people leave Yahoo for Google? Facebook probably was government funded, like Google. MySpace was not. Facebook was pushed out on people unlike MySpace. They promoted Facebook much harder than MySpace. They went after the college students first to get them on Facebook. And Facebook had a cleaner look. Facebook was made school friendly as MySpace looked less kid friendly. MySpace appeared as just a place for music. Facebook started becoming the place for friends, for school, for business, even tho MySpace is that too. Facebook is a copy of MySpace and yet people were given fake news about MySpace and Facebook that led them away from MySpace.

The biggest thing that happened was that people were too busy on Facebook to get back on MySpace. Facebook became an addiction for people and they ran out of time to hop on MySpace. So, people began forgetting about MySpace as well. For the most part, people simply ran out of time and stuck with Facebook, generally speaking. Most people didn't think about it. I didn't really think about it either until later on. I think a lot more than most people and most people were just hooked on Facebook from earlier on and it spread. Early on, only college students could join Facebook. It was a best kept secret. You had to have a school email address or else. Then they opened it to everybody. So, that made more people want it as they couldn't at first.

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