we are most definitely agreement on utopia not existing!

I'm all for heading in that direction (which i see as voluntarism, in principle).

The differences lies in my understanding of the human condition, and the voluntarist understanding of the human condition, I think.

There we see things differently.

from my chat earlier with kaftanarchy...(to highlight the difference I see in human behaviours...)

I am saying the evolution of societies, historically, has shown to gravitate to always some form of authority.
I am not saying it in terms of 'good and evil'.

I am saying it in terms of 'this is what has happened for over 3000 years.
I see no voluntarist argument to explain as to why it will not continue to be the system, in some form or other.

The smaller any authority, the better.
To argue that there is no need for an authority no matter what - flies in the face of several thousand years of civilizations organizing themselves exactly like that.

Would you argue that you know better, or have more intelligence than the millions upon millions of people that came before you?
Why do you think your voluntarism system has never worked before over thousands of years?

People were too stupid to try it?
People were too cowardly to face up to authority?

..or any other reason that you can attribute that doesn't include
'because people wanted some authority present'

Not saying you are, but it is this same logic that made the infamous death cults of Communism what they were. This is indeed Marxist-type thought.

I would posit that any ideology is 'marxist type thought.'

That being the thought process that an ideology is correct - in the face of all actual evidence contrary to that ideology.
(the evidence being civilization after different civilization, over millennia)

Hopefully blockhain/crytpo will be the death grip to the banking system, and will indeed free people.
The end of slavery , in the current form.

Then free people will still look to authority and 'delegated power' for an organization of communities.

Hierarchy happens. It is a thing. With hierarchy comes delegated power. It happens.
Continually, and thorough all different political movements, ideologies, and history...

(I need no authority, nor have ever seeked one.
I recognize 'we' are not society as a whole. It's our lot in life. 'we' are at the margins, and will always be there.'We' are not the mainstream, and forcing 'our' reality on everyone is to assume they want the same thing. ......
What if 'they' don't?)

I see people happier with authority and order.
A 'looked after' aspect of their lives.
To what degree is subjective, but the dynamic still remains.

I can see what is in front of my eyes, and what brings the majority (ie a society) a feeling of peace.
And part of that peace is a sense of safety - brought by an authority in some form or other.

The omniscience that comes with an ideology is also the Achilles heel of it....
My morals are not compromised, my principles of voluntarism are not compromised, and my pragmatic understanding of the human condition are encompassed....

Ideologies, from marxism to volutarism take no account of those pesky human conditions getting in the way of clean thoughts...

THAT'S how I see it....and not in terms of good and evil.

(an upvote instead of a flag, maybe? lol. Not being smarmy.)