RE: Graphene World Cup 2018 - Group 1
Hi, OP here.
We've had a few scammers around BitShares, but you'll need to back up this accusation with hard facts ... how is a scam company making working products and attending events if they're a scam? How are they a scam when PPY, HelmBet and Bookie.Pro are all up and running products you can use / play sport betting on? See their latest newsletter below, and please provide evidence of scam with solid facts before making such statement as 'Full blown scam' ... So, unless you have some solid facts for me, better instead let us know what the real problem is.
BTW, having met and spent time with Johnathan personally, he is a very hard working and genuine businessman, and made contributions and worked on BitShares from the very early days - considered a founder of BitShares in fact. Doesn't go around shouting about it, stays humble. He has a web hosting business worth millions, with underground (ex-bunker) facilities in Canada to hold it all. He is highly knowledgable on all things blockchain, web hosting, regulatory. Just your typical scammer yeah?
Let's see their latest newsletter - it details all the scammy activity they're up to!
Hi OP. PPY, eXeBlock, PBSA is all the evidence you need. They have a toy product . . . and that's it. Also, it's bookiepro.fun, which is literally a toy. Helmbet? You mean rock, paper, scissors? Lol.
Are you familiar with the timeline they pitched while ICO'ing and subsequently deleted from the face of the earth after money was collected? I am. They didn't deliver on anything, and still haven't over a year later after their launch dates.
Where's Bookie? Where's eight? Where's sweeps? They were supposed to be -LAUNCHED- a year+ ago. You really can't blame anyone for crying scam on this . . . because that's what it is.
Don't get it. They are launched, even had competition running through the world cup with 5btc in prizes paid out. You are calling working dapps or successful beta runs 'evidence' ... I call them proof of work and progress.
You claim 'still havent heard anything after a year' yet they have a NEWS PAGE ON THE WEBSITE WITH MONTHLY UPDATES .. so you are just stating non-facts.
https://www.peerplays.com/news/
Nooo, I said:
"Are you familiar with the timeline they pitched while ICO'ing and subsequently deleted from the face of the earth after money was collected? I am. They didn't deliver on anything, and still haven't over a year later after their launch dates."
Which you seem to be conveniently dodging . . .
So they got over $7 million USD to put out a news letter and go on vacations LOL. You must be getting paid or not really thinking about this or something . . .
This from the PPY guys themselves. I know you'd love to stay fighting with me on this, but I'm not going to so let's wrap it up
Delays? Yes, things happen and it’s pretty standard in crypto that initial roadmaps from ICOs were far under projected. Ultimately PPY/ExeBlock has delivered the framework for its first major dapp in addition to the sidechain, so even the blanket statement of delivered “nothing” is 100% inaccurate.
No, they haven't delivered anything that they said they would. No, let's not wrap it up. You're biased, that's obvious. I'm not. I'm calling it like it is, an obvious scam. They promised products over a year ago and haven't delivered a single one, yet are vacationing over the globe. Gimme a break, dude. Call a scam a scam. PPY, eXeBlock, PBSA, Jonathan Bahai, the rest of the team = SCAM / SCAMMERS.
Very classy and professional, really helps your credibility . . .
Not nice to accuse people of fud, but where is your evidence matt
That isn't Bookie . . . That's Bookie FUN, it isn't with anything other than fake, play "tokens."
My evidence is uhh . . . No Bookie? No Sweeps? No Eight? No dividends being paid out in respective currencies? Like I said previously. They ICO'ed with a timeline of releases, which were all supposed to be OUT and RUNNING over a year ago and they're nowhere to be seen . . . And shortly after the money was collected, the timeline and references to it all mysteriously VANISHED.
That's my evidence.
When they re-release their timeline, apologize for the smoke and mirrors, and release the stuff, my mind will change. I was massively supportive of this chain, but when you betray your investor base and fail to keep your word or any semblance of it, it leaves you with many disgruntled people.
I don't blindly fanboy projects. I prefer results, honesty, etc.
EDIT: Found it, well, kinda, because it's deleted. Guess what doesn't exist anymore? At least I think that this is where the roadmap/timeline used to exist http://www.peerplays.com/news/token-allocations-development-milestones/
Also:
Just a few examples I could find from reputable people. Luckily they were posted on mediums that PPY/PBSA/eXeBlock have no control over, because they're deleted ALL traces of the promises that they made and sold people on. You know, they promises they scammed people with.
Well I don't know what happened with 8 and Sweeps, however Bookie IS released, you can download it - and the mainnet version (not 'fun' testnet version) will be out soon (I'm reliably informed). If there are still excuses next year i'll be asking questions certainly :)
Bookie is NOT released. It's a play piece of software. It is NOT Bookie. Bookie was supposed to be out OVER A YEAR AGO.
Eight and sweeps were deleted off of their timeline after they collected $7+ million USD. That's what happened to them. They're scammers.
PPY isn't poop, never has been anything BUT poop, and never will be poop at this pace aside from a quick cash grab at the skin of the investors. EOS is going to eat them alive at this point. Good job PPY team, you're professional scammers and I'll continue to out you as what you are as long as we both live until you deliver on what was advertised/promised. Or does anyone want to buy my PPY tokens back at what I bought them for? PPY, PBSA, eXeBlock, wanna put your money where your mouth is and buy my tokens back? I'm betting you don't, because you know you're scammers and will never deliver on anything you've previously promised (you know, the stuff you promised in order to scam your investor base).
PROVE ME WRONG.
EDIT: I'm going to censor the "bad words," that I used in this comment so it doesn't hurt @britcoins' feelings. I changed the words "shit," to "poop." Maybe he can shift focus from supposed bad grammar (not present in my posts) and "bad words," to the actual topic at hand since he's copping out about it.
I don't think they are really in competition with EOS. Also, EOS already ate itself alive, if you wanna look at a real scam, check out EOS spending $16 BILLION to produce nothing more than a redefinition of BitShares same delegated proof of stake system. I'm glad you've followed up with more bad grammar, bad language, such invalid statement about EOS, and packed it with a good dose of defamation - still with zero evidence to actually prove anything as you can download the bookie app, I was using it through the Football World Cup. It's called a testnet or beta, please familiarise yourself with the mechanics of software development - it takes months or even a year to make something complex and right first time. Let's give them benefit of the doubt with real live launch verbally assured is coming in weeks, not months....So, bury the hatchet there until it DOESN'T happen - deal friend?
So I just changed the word shit to poop for you so it doesn't distract you. Not really seeing where I'm using "bad grammar." If I may say so myself, it's quite a bit better than yours and I'm writing it on a phone. But yeah lol, you're one of those guys that try to use this stuff as an argument. Shame, shame, shame!
But at this rate yeah, EOS is going to eat them alive. EOS already has multiple betting sites, you know, that actually work and are usable. Play some dice, collect BET tokens, then get paid dividends from holding BET tokens. Sound familiar? No? Well it should, because that's what PPY was supposed to be doing over a year ago.
And LOL, EOS is just rehashed BTS code? Are you crazy, uneducated on what you're talking about, or just plain stupid?
Also yes, I'm very, very familiar with "the mechanics of software development." Lets give them the benefit of the doubt? No. Again, you are aware this all was suppose to be out and working OVER a year ago and all we have is 1 toy that uses fake tokens. No real Bookie, no Bookie mobile app, no eight, and no sweeps.
You're defending scammers right now, and at this rate, in my book, you're right there in league with them. You gotta call people out and hold them to their word, especially when they're sitting pretty with millions upon millions of USD that investors gave to them.
Bury the hatchet? How about no . . . No deal. Again, it DIDN'T happen. Are you just purposely ignoring the facts at hand? They played the hell out of their investor base and in my opinion, are con artists.
I'm not interested in continuing this.