Bitcoin Scaling's Western Front of Propaganda - Outsider's Guide to the Bitcoin Subreddits

in #bitcoin7 years ago (edited)

A Tale of Two Bitcoin Subreddits

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Outside Steemit, there are much more hostile, but also (temporarily) more well-trafficed areas such as Reddit where people still go to acquire something that may resemble either news or confirmation bias, depending on the user's taste.

I used to be a frequent user of Reddit some years ago, but became increasingly disenchanted with the platform over time. Every change seemed to increase censorship and decrease real discourse for the sake of website profit. More and more of the site was devoted to memes and advice animals. Nowadays, there is almost nothing I bother to open the site for outside of the occasional check of the cryptocurrency subreddits for Bitcoin and Ether. Even the trader subreddits, like r/Ethtrader are mostly memes about HODLING.

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Also, my "Meme-Free Animals" campaign never caught any upvotes

Oddly enough, thanks to the contentious scaling debate, there are now two bitcoin subreddits, and they are almost diametrically opposed in both style and substance.

In r/btc, it appears most are proponents of improving scalability via larger block sizes, and think that Seg Wit would create off-chain transactions that would defeat the purpose of the bitcoin whitepaper. It is not anti-miner. This appears, to me, to be the less-censored and more open of the two subreddits, currently. Moderator logs are public, but referencing them can catch you a ban.

In r/bitcoin, it appears most are pro-Seg Wit. It appears to be anti-miner. It is approximately 6x larger. Moderator logs are (were?) private.

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The saga continues...

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For the record, back on the other subreddit, the r/bitcoin reasoning for maintaining private moderator logs (at least in the past) does not pass my smell test (however, I have never been a Reddit moderator or worked with the logs, so what do I know):

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Here is an example of the r/btc sidebar. You will note a few interesting things:

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  1. There is apparently "no government, company, or bank in charge of bitcoin", but there is an "official bitcoin.com" and an "official bitcoin.com store" that they consider mission critical to link you to.
  2. They push a mining pool on you very quickly. There are no ads in the sidebar of r/bitcoin, only this:

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Now, whether this money was used for productive purposes remains up for interpretation:

"Michael Marquardt, more commonly known as theymos, is a Bitcointalk administrator and Reddit /r/bitcoin moderator. He has recently came into scrutiny for potential mishandling of $1 million of entrusted forum donations, censorship of Bitcoin Xt, an alternate client, and the blanket banning of the posting of his own personal information on bitcointalk, while allowing the personal information of others to be freely posted on bitcointalk. Even moderators of his communities have came out against his unilateral censorship."

https://bitco.in/forum/threads/who-is-theymos-and-what-did-he-do.87/

Here is some of the front-page discourse from r/btc today:

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All of a sudden, r/btc seems to want to take up the torch of Craig Wright:

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Spoiler alert - debunking this did not take long for user bitusher, but there appear to be plenty of defenders:

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Oddly enough, there is both uncensored debunking of, and defense of, Craig Wright:

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Some users at r/btc think they are being brigaded:

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I came into this article expecting to declare r/btc to be unequivocally the loonier subreddit, and while I think that's still probably true, after sifting through all the muck I'm not sure anyone is clean in here.

I'll let everyone draw their own conclusions on which option they should support for scaling. I personally think that any off-chain transactions would seem to violate the Bitcoin whitepaper by introducing trust, but I would love to hear more in the comments.

If anyone has a better handle on what the heck is going on in these subreddits, please let us know in the comments!

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You have this completely backwards.
r/btc is pro-large blocks and not censored
r/bitcoin is pro-segwit and highly censored

Swapped the r/btc and r/bitcoin labels you noted were reversed. Thanks again!

I admit, even as someone who has followed these subreddits, it's all pretty confusing. Thank you for clarifying this mistake I made during the labelling.

I can't believe I made that mistake after all I've read about u/theymos. Whoopsie.

Very interesting...I never knew there was so much dirt slinging going on in Reddit. You know I've tried to rally the Dogecoin community up on Reddit, and people mostly stop by to shoot my ideas down, all while leaving out to go back and Meme cheerlead with no suggestions on the utilization of the coin to further make the currency grow....smh.

Far be it for me to cast aspersions on any dog-related coin, given I'm a huge dog fan...

However, I think the Dogecoin community itself might agree with me that it's not the most cohesive and motivated community. I suspect trying to organize a community based on a dog meme would be like herding cats (heh).

You will get banned for opposing segwit.

Blockstream, the company that will benefit from segwit controls bitcointalk and r/bitcoin. That's why you get banned.

Oh yeah, he came up in one of my screenshots there. The mod that was banning people for referencing moderator logs in r/btc was colloquially being referred to as "theymos the 2nd".

screw reddit, steemit is way better, you actually get paid to be social when you would be doing anyway, good post, followed

That's definitely true, but given the upcoming change in Bitcoin, occasionally one has to find some other sources to check out once in awhile. It's always wise to diversify one's information sources, lest you be caught in an echo-chamber without noticing!

Of course, as my post shows, the efficacy of said source may be pretty poor.

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