r/bitcoin has gone full North Corea

in bitcoin •  last year

I've talked in a few posts before about the censorship that happens on the biggest crypto subreddit r/bitcoin. Lately with Bitcoin Cash gaining more popularity and being added to more markets it seems like the moderators on that subreddit are having a full-time job banning users from voicing their concerns about the blocksize, the backlog of unconfirmed transactions and the future of Bitcoin with Blockstream leading its development.

Here are a few screenshots of posts they have removed and users they have banned from discussion.

Since many of you are aware that the hardfork resulted in every Bitcoin holder receiving both tokens, I think its needless to say that you can remain pretty neutral on these debates - unless you've sold any of them for the other. I personally feel a lot like this user in the first screenshot, although the censorship on that subreddit has been something I've known for a very long time and is what drove me away from Bitcoin in the first place.


That post now looks like this.

Reddit user Sovereign_Curtis got banned for these mild comments.

After getting banned it looks like this.


They are even going so far as to contact newcomers in messages on Reddit.

This user got banned on r/bitcoin for his thread he made on the Bitcoin Cash subreddit r/btc.


When users were complaining that the fees are really high to transact with Bitcoin

This even though altcoin discussions are against the rules in the subreddit, I guess Litecoin is an exception due to Segwit...

What's even worse is that this gets upvoted...


Funniest comment I've read lately


To end it all off, I wanted to present you with a piece of information I found to be quite intriguing.

Source

Posted by Rick Falkvinge who has his own Steemit account @falkvinge.

Based on Blockstream’s behavior in the Bitcoin community, I have become absolutely certain that Segwit contains patents that Blockstream and/or their owners have planned to use offensively. I base this not on having read the actual patents, for they can be kept secret for quite some time; I base this on observing Blockstream’s behavior, and having seen the exact same behavior many times before in the past 20 years from entities that all went bankrupt.

I was a representative of Microsoft. I would meet with people from Nokia, Ericsson, AT&T, and many other corporate names you’d recognize instantly, in small groups to negotiate standards going forward.

One thing that was quite clear in these negotiations was that everybody was trying to get as much as possible of their own patent portfolio into the industry standard, while still trying to maintain a façade of arguing purely on technical merits. Some were good at it. Some were not very good at it at all.

One of the dead-sure telltale signs of the latter was that somebody would argue that feature X should use mechanism Y (where they had undisclosed patent encumbrance) based on a technical argument that made no sense. When us technical experts in the room pointed out how the argument made no sense, they would repeat that feature X should absolutely use mechanism Y, but now based on a completely new rationale, which didn’t make any sense either.

The real reason they were pushing so hard for mechanism Y, of course, was that they had patents covering mechanism Y and wanted their patented technology to go into the industry standard, but they were unable to make a coherent argument that withstood technical scrutiny for why it was the preferable solution at hand, with or without such encumbrance.

and here is a link to pending patents of Blockstream

https://patents.google.com/patent/US20160330034A1/en?assignee=blockstream


I wanna end this post, like I have done in my latest ones with saying that there is a lot I may not be aware of since I have not followed Bitcoins development actively in the last couple years, but the heavy censorship that is happening towards anyone speaking against Blockstream leads me to believe there is something they are trying to hide from the general public which may very well be in their self-interest and not about Bitcoins original idea about being next to free to use globally for anyone.

I am thankful of the Steem blockchain being immutable to censorship where anyone can state their concern and voice their opinion about anything, for free.


(in case anyone was wondering about the title, the developers on Bitcoin are called Bitcoin Core developers and the censorship reminds people of North Korea, hence the combination: North Corea.)

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... the future of Bitcoin with Blockstream leading its development.

This is where your story end for me.

You have absolutely no respect for the hundreds of volunteers that contribute to Bitcoin.

Look at this table of core developers support for the various scaling paths (segwit2X = bigger block)
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Segwit_support

Now please add another column to that one and tell me what % work for Blockstream.

I am thankful of the Steem blockchain being immutable to censorship where anyone can state their concern and voice their opinion about anything, for free.

So why not make a post specifically about this and share it on Reddit and save these people from vote manipulation and censorship by bringing them over to Steem ?

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I do have respect for them and the work they've put towards Bitcoin, that's why I hate what Blockstream is doing to it and what it is becoming.

and tell me what % work for Blockstream.

As I've stated I haven't followed it that precisely, but according to this

it seems like that % is getting bigger each day if they keep kicking developers for no reason.

Look at this table of core developers support for the various scaling paths (segwit2X = bigger block) https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Segwit_support

What? How does that not make it more clear that most are working for Core (which most developers have been co-opted by Blockstream) and are not supporting segwit2x which Bitpay is and are now being threatened by Core because of it.

https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-segwit2x/2017-August/000259.html

This is what I found on wikipedia:

Blockstream is one of the largest contributors of funding for Bitcoin Core

Since my story ended at that part yet you quoted the last part, did you miss the part about the patents? Even though it seems like they aren't directly patenting Segwit they seem to want to patent the sidechain which enables Segwit.

I did share this post on Reddit and the main point was to prove how censorship resistant it is even if it gets flagged to 0 it will still be visible and people can comment and post on it. Its not like I care that much about Bitcoin anymore, if it wasn't for these Core developers it would probably be at 20k right now and still have 90% dominance instead of letting all so called shitcoins eat up on its marketcap day after day because its literally unusable for leading companies like Bitpay due to its fees and confirmation time.

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I do not think this will be a big problem.
Most likely Bitcoin SegWit solution is not going to be accepted and will crash sooner or later because of blatant mismanagement and corruption.
Investing in it will hurt you if you plan to stay there long term.
You could make some profits short term by gaming the abusive system, but that just makes you as bad as the people you criticize.

The prudent course of action is to keep your Bitcoins where they are and see if there are other parties who try to regulate or destroy the remnants of the original Bitcoin. I do not see how this is possible, however. A lot of people have a vested interest in the maintenance of the original Bitcoin; plus the cat is out of the bag anyway. Noone can stop its replication, in fact, other decentralized currencies are already on their way so that new decentralized non North Korean options are available to us regardless of what happens to Bitcoin.

Obviously, I think that the original Bitcoin is going to survive this, but there are going to be some tough times ahead of us. It was obvious from the beginning though, Bitcoin was and is a game changer and with its creation the rules of the game and the status quo have changed - leading to conflict.

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Bitcoin Cash is the original Bitcoin.

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Neither are the original bitcoin. They're block structures are both different. 1MB vs 1MB + SegWit vs 8MB

Or you could say they're both the original Bitcoin - as they both started in 2009 technically.

But I guess BCH is closest to Satoshi's white paper

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The original bitcoin had no blocksize limit. Not until version 3

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I think there is no problem at all with blockchain size increase.
If you can't come up with a better solution do increase blockchain size, until you can create a better solution.

It's much better than a giant pile of shit like SegWit2x

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Jeff garzik who had done very little contribution overall had not done any for years. Removing him allowed bitcoin core project to make the statement that not a single contributor support segwit2x / bc1 here :
https://bitcoincore.org/en/2017/08/18/btc1-misleading-statements/

It's the people you support (Chinese miners and Rogers) that stalled the block size increase that segwit provide along with multiple added benefit also improving scaling.

If you know nothing about the situation stop trying to explain it to others.

Bitcoin core is not an elected group of people its an open project project that grew organically for years by welcoming contributions.

Lookup the opinions of the dozens of people who made what bitcoin is and you see 95% support segwit first then Block increase later. Later definetly does not mean 2 months as per NYA. .

If anything the patent has to be a defensive one that stop someone else from patenting it. While on patents why not educate us on bitmains ASICBOOST patent and tell us it's not a big economic incentive not to want segwit.

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It's the people you support (Chinese miners and Rogers) that stalled the block size increase that segwit provide along with multiple added benefit also improving scaling.

That's the small-blocker narrative. The big-blocker narrative is that the current core-heads have been stilling any kind of block size increase consistently and particularly since 2015.

The moderate narrative is that we'd had both bigger blocks and SegWit already in 2016 had only the Hong Kong roundtable agreement been respected.

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So you're saying Roger has been stalling the blocksize increased through segwit when he's been pleading for years to increase it?

I don't know anything about ASICBOOST.

So there is no incentive to keep the blocksize small on purpose so they can implement segwit and have transactions go through their sidechains which they then control. The people have just to trust them that with the patents they won't turn Bitcoin into the second paypal? To trust these users who are constantly silencing people concerned about their true incentive and have been doing so for years on the most used subreddits and forum?

I have made it very clear that what I am writing is speculation and mentioned many times that I may not know everything involved in the matter since I stopped caring about it because of this censorship years ago. I am not trying to teach anyone anything than to be vary of what they read on centralized sources which I myself am getting this information from.

All people got a piece of both coins and the ones I warned not to dump them immediately have been thanking me cause to them it seemed ridiculous that the hardfork even happened and many of them read r/bitcoin which went on about how BCH will die within a week.

Of course the censorship and hivemind can go both ways and I've also made that clear. I guess in the end the market will decide if they want a controlled Bitcoin with transactions going through another layer or what Bitcoin truly stood for in the beginning, except that this time around we will have the history of this discussion saved on the blockchain where no one can delete it or change it.

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No central entity control sidechains, they are just a mathematical concept. Also no specific entity makes money from lightning networks.

How can you not know about ASICBOOST? its one of the main reason we are in this mess. Bitmain is not only in control of a large % of the hashing power they are cheating using ASICBOOST which they patented and implemented giving them a 15% efficiency gain equal to a 50% increase in profit over everyone else. The drawback is that they have to mess with what transaction they are including in blocks and not compatible with segwit optimization.

You should understand that none of the other altcoin have these political debates because nobody cares about them as much. I wish there was a viable alternative to Bitcoin as a viable reserve currency / reference unit of account but sadly I see none. Once we are past that mining centralisation phase bitcoin supremacy will be much harder to challenge.

Bitcoins fight is not againt other cryptos so much than it is againt TPTB, banks and governments.

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@transisto You are absolutely right about this.

However, the only other alternative I consider (which is still inferior to Bitcoin) is XRP. I am as far anti-government as one can potentially be, but we have to be realistic and see the world for what it is. Banks are not going to go away tomorrow, neither are governments. It will be a long transition with many interesting and challenging years ahead.

Ultimately, I believe that Bitcoin will change the world for the better.
We have to be incredibly careful to prevent any centralization of its network. Therefore, the political discussion of the blockchain of steemit are extremely important. It's good that you brought this information forward and made it availalbe to the steemit community.

I was aware of the manipulation by Bitmain, but never heard of the ASICBOOST patent. I just thought it was something they did, I was not aware that there were legal patents in place to prevent litigation or adoption to address this problem.

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The drawback is that they have to mess with what transaction they are including in blocks

So a problem that wouldn't exist with bigger blocks? :D

I wish there was a viable alternative to Bitcoin as a viable reserve currency / reference unit of account but sadly I see none

That is indeed sad for you.

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No central entity control sidechains, they are just a mathematical concept. Also no specific entity makes money from lightning networks.

Lets see for how long that remains true.

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Also, lol, kicking someone so they can make a statement of how centralized they are. :D

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It's the people you support (Chinese miners and Rogers)

Who said I'm supporting them? :D I don't even like any of the bitcoins cause its a matter of which one sucks less compared to altcoins. If you've followed the markets and price changes the last couple years I can tell you there are many that only hold altcoins and they don't regret not holding bitcoin even a single bit.

If you've checked my altcoin reports you may notice I'm a lot more for them than the tiny profit bitcoin may bring.
Just cause I use Internet explorer to download chrome doesn't mean I hate IE, its often the only gateway to get to something better, even if it is very slow and unreliable. ;)

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Survival of the fittest... Darwin law still applies in crypto!!

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True 'next level' or knowledgeable crypto enthusiasts generally feel this way, they can see the way it's going that in less than ten years it will take the power of an entire country to mine a single bitcoin. The money is definitely in alt coins, and specifically in those with clear real world use, like steem of course-- man if they just had steem visa rather than having to transfer it to bitcoin first-- and what would really blow it out/send it to the moon is if they created a marketplace based on steemit, with all of us bringing all kinds of products and services from all over the globe...then again I wonder if it hasn't been intentionally designed to keep it smaller, at least to this point, in order to attract the best of the best in the beginning, the 'gatekeepers' who set up the self policing to keep any other censorship out. Early adopters here are generally intelligent people with a lot of foresight :)

EDIT: Most of what I know is from listening in on discussions between my husband and a few of his good friends. And tonight during one such discussion they were excited over two coins: Civic and Library(lbry), they are what my man calls 10X, or coins that will be worth at least ten times their current worth in a year. He is a tireless researcher, it's basically his full time job at this point. He hasn't been wrong yet.

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Economics is not about rationality, neither is it about what people want.
Economies can be driven by FUD to a large extend and manipulated with emotions.

A lot of people do not want SegWit2x. A lot of big players in Bitcoin want SegWit2x because it enables decentralization and cheating to improve profits.
Ergo, Chinese Miners are obviously going to support SegWit2x because they potentially manipulate the tokens by removing signatures from the Block when it suits them, as there is no definite witnessing requirement for blocks with the SegWit2x solution.
Likewise, if you Bitcoin Cash is more profitable to mine, miners are going to act in their own self-interest to improve their yield.
This is the exact opposite of what Bitcoin is supposed to be.

@transisto: I literally agree with everything that is listed in the comment you linked.

I view it as a poor attempt to manipulate the Bitcoin community, but as I said it is ultimately going to fail. I think that Bitcoin community is very aware of the problems that resulted from government interference, corruption etc. and not stupid enough to walk into an obvious trap like that. FUD to manipulate emotion and market value. It ultimately always ends up terrible, so I am glad that we have the blockchain in place to prevent blatant cheating. I am also proud of the Bitcoin community and its level headedness and its spirit to make the world a better place.

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I view it as a poor attempt to manipulate the Bitcoin community, but as I said it is ultimately going to fail. I think that Bitcoin community is very aware of the problems that resulted from government interference, corruption etc. and not stupid enough to walk into an obvious trap like that.

Well, if someone with vested interest in fiat was to manipulate the Bitcoin community, I believe they would try to divide the community and manipulate both camps to bitterly oppose any kind of compromise (BIP-100, BIP-102, Hong Kong agreement, SegWit2X), as well as inventing ideas suitable for derailing the Bitcoin project (such as BIP-148 and Bitcoin Cash), and manipulating people to embrace such ideas. Oh. We have already constantly been going into the trap for two years if not more.

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Well, there is one important distinction between the attempts of manipulation now and how it was in the past. The blockchain makes it possible to roll back mistakes. Hardforks do not destroy Bitcoin core and Bitcoin core can be maintained indefinitely. If it maintains the highest structural integrity it will always be the default fall-back option for everyone.

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Lookup the opinions of the dozens of people who made what bitcoin is and you see 95% support segwit first then Block increase later. Later definetly does not mean 2 months as per NYA. .

Satoshi and Gavin are the most important contributors, and they have both been recommending to lift the 1 MB block size limit "when needed" - and it was needed already years ago.

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Yes why this took so long? Maybe for a reason like patent.

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I made a thing to represent the current state of Bitcoin, as lead by Blockstream. You may need to right click on it and click view image to see it better(it looks really small on my screen for some reason, sorry!)

BTC rofl.jpg

They need to get their crap together. And yes, /r/bitcoin is insane with censorship.... reddit is to censoring for my tastes for the most part. This steemit place is nice for now and in a good position overall. I only see actual spammers/scammers/copy and pasters/toxic(swearing/abusive) being downvoted on steemit, and rightly so.

Completely agreed. ETH wasn't really going any place and neither were Monero and some of the others. People got fed up with the random spam attacks causing days of delays or having to pay huge fees. Bitcoin is where it is due to them being so cautious about not overloading the system and wanting to allow raspberry pis to be able to run as a node and what not...

Now their actions had the consequence of giving up huge market share to altcoins, turning people off of bitcoin all together, making a contentious Hard Fork happen, and it seems they don't want Segwit2X to happen now either so another Hard Fork looks to be coming... It is mind boggling...

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To be fair, a quick look at the edit history of that wiki page shows it's being policed by people employed by Blockstream and the apparent rule to add your name to the list is that you need to have a commit to bitcoin core in the last year which would exclude many people supporting segwit2X.

Not that I'm in favour of segwit2X :) I think having 2 chains, one with segwit and one with a block-size increase is the optimal solution.

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I think having 2 chains, one with segwit and one with a block-size increase is the optimal solution.

There can be only one Bitcoin; compared with alts, the advantages of Bitcoin is the network effect, the brand name and (arguably) the security offered by the crazy amounts of CPU-power owned by the miners. Split the chain, and Bitcoin is dead.

In the late 90s there was one standard for online chat on the internet, it was IRC; everyone was at IRC. What happened? The network got fragmented due to arguments on how to fix the problems on the protocol level, and instead of IRC we got a lot of commercial, centralized, closed chat-platforms, and some few open chat platforms used by nobody.

Roll forward some years, and we'll still be stuck with fiat (a jungle of different commercial centralized actors) and some few dozens of crypto-currencies used by nobody.

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I think the SegWit solution is doomed to fail, but that could just be wishful thinking on my part.
I expect a strong push for SegWit as well as Cash. SegWit to crash Bitcoin so that Cash can become the new original Bitcoin raised from the ashes of the original Bitcoin like a phoenix.

However, I could be underestimating people's investment choices. Perhaps the SegWit chain is going to be inflated by whales dumping all their Bitcoin into it or blatant propaganda or exchange manipulation. However, there is a chance that this does not matter if most people keep their Bitcoin in the original version. The original Bitcoin can solve most of its immediate problems with larger blocks, though it may not be an ideal solution, it's a good solution for the short term (2 years or so). But of course even with a larger blocksize the system could still be abused without effective countermeasures. Nonetheless, I think that 2 years of time is enough to develop an adequate solution or some form of protection against abuse.

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Seriously? Do tell me which of these Core contributors have over 100 commits. They are either no longer there, or they are Blockstream employees.

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So why not make a post specifically about this and share it on Reddit and save these people from vote manipulation and censorship by bringing them over to Steem ?

I believe Reddit has automoderation on posts linking to Steem. At least, every post or comment that I've written on Reddit linking to Steem-articles got shadowbanned (visible for me, but invisible for everyone else - really a bad way of censoring stuff).

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amen may bitcoin blockchain live long an prosper

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Is this really worth a flag? Aren't you two mostly on the same side?

The white paper told us exactly how to scale and they have been fighting it for years. There's no debate to be hand. The block size increase is years late. Segwit is some camoflauged nonsense they only want due to control and patents.

It's thanks to them that Bitcoin Cash and $7 fees exist.

Off-chains are a trojan horse.

PS - Please respond to the points in my link if you wish to debate, as I will simply refer you to them. (It's not going to be easy.)

I've been waiting for a post like this for awhile. A reddit user made a timeline/history book on what has been going on with bitcoin and r/bitcoin, and I have to say everything is real shady. Great post!

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Oh cool, got a link to it? Would be really interesting since I've probably missed out on a lot.

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I saw the post a few months ago but it is very similar to this article.

If you missed any of the drama, here is what actually happened so far in the past few days
An altcoin which was created at 1st Aug was listed 2 days ago in the korean exchanges and as any new altcoin it was pumped by them and everyone got too excited and followed them ...
This resulted in a rapid increase in the mining profitability for the other chain after it adjusted the difficulty yesterday ... and miners started to jump in ...

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That is a about it... Interesting to watch nonetheless

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Personally, I can claim I'm very engaged so far with the Steem ecosystem, working on developing and growing my reputation, trying to promote the learning process. If the latest price growth of Bitcoin will empower the altcoins, all of this leading in essence to a growing of Steem. But this is only my humble opinion, and there is still a possibility I could be wrong possibly because I'm not fully documented on all levels in cryptocurrency field. One thing I'm certain of : Steem has a lot of potential and anyone involved in the network and community will only have benefits for being in this, the most advantaged being the ones involved in this from the beginning. Anyway, very interesting article! Greatly appreciated and upvoted! 👍 👍

Pretty much. I had posted an arcticle, criticizing both forks, both on /r/btc and /r/bitcoin. The first one acted rationally, the latter went full on banhammer on me. This is pretty sad, looking at how the bitcoin community has become so divided.

The whole thing with the censorship towards speaking against Blockstream smells very fishy and looks to me that there is something cheesy going on. Why the Bitcoin core developer will just stay with SegWit and push a block enlargement perhaps for undetermined time. A hard fork is required for a block enlargement this requires a replay protection but Bitcoin core developers do not want to implement this protection? And what the heck is going on with reddit if they continue like this they will lose user (hope they all come to steemit). Free speech is so important for trust but if there is no free speech which is done by censorship people will lose there trust. Damn I am very curious and will dig deeper in the whole situation I like to know what Blockstream is up to. Thanks for telling us!

Yep, r/bitcoin is doing much harm to BTC now. Even though I'm core supporter, I really don't like these mods. tip!

It's ridiculous that a community for championing a currency that has non-censorship as one of it's biggest features resorts to banning people from their subreddit.

Although to be honest almost all of reddit is like that. You block people who don't agree with you, then you go to other subreddits and shout about how they are censoring people...

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hahahhhahaa the fucking sad truth!

I am thankful of the Steem blockchain being immutable to censorship where anyone can state their concern and voice their opinion about anything, for free.

Synchronicity. I just came from another user's post where they were questioning whether us being censorship free was a good thing because apparently an account was posting what some are calling child pornography. From what I was able to see, the girls in question could have been of legal age, they certainly were not undeveloped. It's not something I personally want to see having a daughter about that age, but in the end I have to take the stance that we are a self-policing platform and I believe it works, that if unacceptable behavior or material is posted we simply join forces and flag the individual until they have no reason to be here. But If it's a matter of someone who simply doesn't like pornography then they always have the option to ignore or even mute.
I think that creating any formal censorship will land us in the exact same position as what you have as an example in this post, and we do NOT want that here.

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Wow!
A VERY powerful statement and proves you are an idealist!
Congrats~*~

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Thank you :) And I'm glad you responded, reminds me to pop by 'your place' today. I"m putting together a list, trying to get some kind of organization to visiting people's blogs that I like.

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=)>
Great to exchange with you as always!
Hope to see you around more often.
Blessings~*~

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Yes, the introduction of any kind of censorship will lead to the emergence of a corrupt system of systematic censorship.

They might create a new altcoin : censorcoin.
LoL

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It will probably be added to Segwit soon so they can censor all the big transactions going to exchanges for dumping. :P

It is quite disturbing.. the whole idea of cryptocurrencies is to move away from the censorship, make everything transperant and not regulated. The whole situation is just wrong on so many levels..

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Yeah, trying use reddit comments to get a thorough explanation of the Bitcoin scaling issues is really not enough. .

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Reddit moderation is a Reddit problem, not a Bitcoin problem.
Please invite them to present their arguments here on steemit, where absolute censorship is not possible for a more open debate.

I've nearly given up in reddit as a whole especially r/bitcoin. I still have my account and I do pop on there but that used to be my main platform and now there are days in a row that I don't get on reddit. Steemit has consumed my Internet time but in a good way. Love being here so far and not dealing with a lot of the bad that comes with the exponentially larger user base on reddit.

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I don't blame you. I was banned from 3 subreddits before I finally decided to call it quits on the site altogether.

Lol, r/literature banned me for posting a literary link roundup I'd published on my site.

They didn't remove the post, they didn't give me a warning, they didn't suspend my access to the subreddit; they banned my account for life and reported my site's url. Oh, and the post itself had recieved around 50 upvotes before they did that. :)


I've written a post on the late, great Chuck Berry's music. It's pretty musical. :)

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For now..... remember all the bots lurking around in steemit. There's no policy to regulate them... could downvote you anytime anywhere. Soon there might be bots marching through steemit. I wonder if there's any counter bots out there. We need robocops???

There is no doubt there is heavy vote-manipulation going on at r/bitcoin.

There is no doubt that the moderation policies on r/bitcoin is heavily skewed and causes group-think and echo-chamber effect.

There is no doubt that the bias on r/btc is heavy skewed due to echo-chamber effect, group-think, vote patterns (and, probably, vote manipulation).

Apropos conspiracy theories, If I was in the PR consulting business and someone would give me the assignment "please, do what you can to kill bitcoin", here is what I would do ... I would do whatever possible to divide the Bitcoin community into two camps, and to continuously manipulate people on both sides of the schism into believing their camp is the only right camp and that the other camp is totally wrong on anything.

free speech is necessary for innovation! sad that r/bitcoin mods see it fit to dictate who can speak and what can be said.

Damn, that is intense. In the decentralized world we have still found a way to moderate and censor. It's like with politics, we say we want freedom and the governments to leave us alone, but then our actions show otherwise

Opinion matters , because that gives one another the ability to learn from others so they don't make the same mistakes .

I'm not surprised that they did this , they only show what they want you to see, what happen to equality , voice of opinion ?!

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Exactly. Being the biggest crypto subreddit and the biggest crypto I feel sorry for all the newcomers getting into it not being aware of all this censorship that's going on.

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Hey I am here now soaking all this up like a sponge! Starting to like this place with all you intelligent brothers and sisters. Off to the new/hot section again of steemit!

Looks like Reddit has gotten pretty bad. I haven't been on there in some time and it looks like I haven't missed much except for the same old asinine behavior.

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yeah u right. iam agree with you

I don't know whether to laugh or cry! I guess I feel similar to how you do on this as I could also relate to the guy from the first screenshot. All the drama is just ridiculous, people on both sides should just let things play out and let the market decide which coin they prefer

Does the DPRK even have internet?

Thank you for the news or information we hope to be able to do business together and achieve success .. hopefully we can be well-secured by sharing good news2

Well that goes against freedom of speech isnt it? hence why steemit is the best social media platform in the world as indicated in my blog posts (pls see my posts for details). It is time we all do a better work in growing our steemit and thus have no need for the likes of reddit , face book et al . With little more time and hardwork, steemit will take over social media and enter mainstream because it pays more here than there!!!!! thanks for sharing and you always have my upvote.

How about another combination: Left Corea?

need to move all reddit to steemit, so they can be sure what there will be no bans, no locked posts and people will see true like 5$ fee :)
Problem that steemit is hard for newbies because they think its something like ponzi or other things. Need some guides user friendly for newcomers.

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totaly agree. i'm a newcomer (active since yesterday) and the learning curve is VERY low. i mean the basics... ok. maybe, but once you go one step further, you get flooded with things like delegated Steem Power, the general concept of those 3 currencies powering whatsoever up or down and a punch of stuff... while you can't find a good section to browse... idk. I'm a programer and crypto head, my brain is set to process these things, but healthy, normal people would just run away, screaming in agony. it's just too much... they are used to facebook. Steem needs to be like facebook without... facebook :)

The censorship totaly sounds a bit fishy to me. What is the reason for it? Could there be more to it than everyone thinks? This definitely drives me away from that particular subreddit and bitcoin quite a bit. I think everyone should be able to state their opinions freely without getting shut down.

This censoring might only work the other way around for them. If a post like that having almost 1k votes suddenly gets removed it gives for a lot of suspicion...

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too much tricks nowadays just to take some people attentions. kinda beware!
and its some safe side of this unpredictable society i guess :) not bad for me...

Reddit in 2017 LUL

Lol it'll still take a drop when people find out what's going on. The internet doesn't like censorship.

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Thank you for the information

@acidyo Let's say Ha Ha Ha to these powerful subreddit.

It is interesting that at first they said that the blockchain is completely independent, no one can control it. And it turns out, there is censorship ...

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Would they have a reason to delete those posts?

Great post

Well, well... And here I was thinking political discourse was an issue on the mainstream platforms. Then again, I do think that all kinds of talk will be censored if one type is allowed.

So then, wonder how this affects the coin in the long run. Any predictions?

Great post! Keep it up.

Great post! Keep it up.

That level of censorship is definitely discouraging. At the same time though, I can't buy 24k gold rolling papers with bch.

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Neither could you with Bitcoin in the first few weeks.

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Haha, fair point. Those transaction fees and waiting times are ridiculous.

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Yeah, I have noticed it myself. I think I got shadowbanned (where only I can see me post being there so I wouldn't know that I'm banned)

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Thats good news for steemit right? People might consider migrating here from redit.

Lol they're trying to regulate it like banks.

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They are. For everything else, there's Bitcoin Cash.

The thing about censorship is the unfortunate fact that so many people will abandon free speech as a principle, as long as the person being censored has differing views to theirs.

Imagine a Bitcoin revolution inside North Korea. I find this idea fascinating, of some underground people starting spreading Bitcoin around. The problem is they just have some sort of intranet.. so how would we be able to start spreading nodes inside North Korea? This would be great to start an underground economy beyond the dictatorship of that fat dude. Most of north korea struggle to even have a consistent electrical supply, the chances of them having an internet connection thats not monitored and not behind a firewall is minimal. thats assuming they would even have internet which is very unlikely . If nkorea had internet then every north korean would know the truth about their glorious leader. I honestly dont even think anyone other than goverment officials would have mobile phones their. All in all north korea is probably the only country in the world that wont have any bitcoin in the future unless there is a massive change in power.

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With all the sanctions on North Korea I wouldn't be surprised if their government is using it.

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A good amount of them know the truth, but decide they would rather not be tortured.

That is not proper behavior. I mean they, want to be an alternative for the current money system but they are doing that kind of stuff?!

i thought bitcash was being given to people with bitcoins when the fork happened, however, i was not given any on by blockchain the wallet that i use, can i go after them for this?

Oh great, now a lot suspicions I had over going full North Korea on SegWit, pretending that this was the only option / the consensus of everyone with a stake in Bitcoin... were completely founded.

Censorship everywhere i am glad nothing like this on steemit

Personally BTC doesn't need to be traded like it is, it should be gold to crypto and kept in a fault traded infrequently. Litecoin should be used as dollar to trade other alt coins. Problem solved

The goal under capitalism is to subvert the masses for the biggest profit possible. The rich will always find a way to do this under capitalism.

I like your post

What's your Crypto of choice atm? I'm a newbie trader now. I'd like to know what coins you believe in.

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Check my Alt-News posts.

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Ok, I'll keep an eye out.

More like North Coinrea

nice post. tq

Good article i don't agree with you , there is no any place for politics or any kind of manipulation with bitcoin , because it's a decentralised cryptocurrency that no any one own or control , so stop to spreading rumors

Wow! This looks really interesting!

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there's Rothschild agents in the mix with BTC. CIA and NSA too. Sorry to say, nothing is what you think it is.

100% Upvote for this! Its only a matter of time before redditors start coming to steemit! As reddit posts get deleted, theyll end up here a repository for banned and deleted content! the memory hole!
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nice post

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That's reddit for you

If BCC becomes the original bitcoin, how much can it rise ?

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I am no master of bitcoin or crypto.
Yet I am a master of reason, logic and intuition.
I can tell by your post that you also have a good sense of logic and also intuition.
Ever since I first met you I could tell this and it is still true now. You are one of the few accounts here on Steemit (even in an "uncensored" platform) that really tackles the difficult subjects and says the things people are scared to say.
I have a huge amount of respect for you. I wish you the best and will continue to support you so long as you are true!
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Great post. I believe you've voted on my post on this in the past too (Bitcon's Western Front - r/bitcoin and r/btc).

I came to see what flagging crew you had attracted, assuming they were going to be r/bitcoin shills, but I was confused to find you and transisto arguing at the top of the comments since it seems you'd have similar positions?

He does realize the white paper explicitly says to increase block size, right?

Off-chains are a trojan horse.

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Reddit is a cancer.

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Shame on moderators.

Good old Reddit nazi mods. Never gets old seeing this ridiculous bullshit. I've never understood why people get some sort of power trip out of censoring users. It's so fucking stupid.

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Personally, I can claim I'm very engaged so far with the Steem ecosystem, working on developing and growing my reputation, trying to promote the learning process. If the latest price growth of Bitcoin will empower the altcoins, all of this leading in essence to a growing of Steem. But this is only my humble opinion, and there is still a possibility I could be wrong possibly because I'm not fully documented on all levels in cryptocurrency field. One thing I'm certain of : Steem has a lot of potential and anyone involved in the network and community will only have benefits for being in this, the most advantaged being the ones involved in this from the beginning. Anyway, very interesting article! Greatly appreciated and upvoted! 👍 👍

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I'm really new at this BTC stuff. It does as it is but censorship on any social platform is horrendous and those who "moderate" must themselves be utterly anal retentive, thin skinned, bought and paid for, live in mommy's basement, glued to smartphones and TV and don't read much or read what appeals to their indoctrinated-via-corporate views. Jes' sayin'.