The Problem with Bitcoin ATMs - Use Case: Trying to Get Dash Locally

in #bitcoin-atm5 years ago (edited)

Most of us have used bitcoin online. But less than that have traded in person according to my assumptions and experience.

There are massive hurdles to overcome in this process and yes, most of these are caused by government regulation AND individuals and corporations (corporations are people my friend) kowtowing to WHAT government asks of them or getting scared shitless because there's so many laws we're always breaking something and whenever authority figures catch-up with us it could ruin our lives unfortunately.

Back to the subject at hand : What Makes Using Bitcoin ATM's Confusing

The first time I wanted to use a bitcoin ATM and I looked them up I was a little pissed that the ones I was seeing were requiring a palm scan or photo identification reading just to buy bitcoin, it sounded ridiculous. You could go buy a knife at a hardware store and stab someone with less tracking than buying a harmless (by itself) digital currency that's the easiest method for online tipping and charitable donations.

When I finally got around to trading in person I had to use like the rest of the plebs and sometimes have to drive hours out of my way to get to one of the few major cities that have traders that actually RESPOND and can cater to your specific quantity in need, whether buying or selling alike.

Then some new ATMs came to my area and I used them only when I had to; for convenience (can trust that an ATM won't become unresponsive or waste your time after driving hours away to get to it, except that time when the mempool was full and I had to drive another 6 hours both ways the next day to come pickup MY money or trust the ATM operator to cancel my transaction properly...except I needed that cash man). Later the ATM started raising it's premiums. Premiums everywhere would be much lower if more people were trading (competition) and less government regulation hindrance (basically hidden tax as Ron Paul says the Federal Reserve creates with inflation, well red tape is an even BIGGER hidden tax on humanity's productivity).

Problems with Bitcoin ATM's - The List:

  1. They're not always in your local area
  2. Not all of them you can buy and sell to (some sell bitcoin ONLY)
  3. They have limits and can run out of funds
  4. Large transactions are subject to bitcoin's current slow transaction times
  5. Sometimes they want to invade your privacy, different machines in the same state are different
  6. They're fees can be exorbitant!
  7. Some of them shutdown without you knowing
    EDIT: 8. Limited hours of access

Now I just heard Dash is coming to General Bytes Bitcoin Machines

While this is exciting (I am a dash supporter) and dash is faster, alleviating the transfer lag that can cause hours of your day to disappear from one bitcoin transaction when you're in dire need [I forgot to even mention the business housing the ATM Potentially closing on you in the process! - added problem #8] the prospect of Local Dash Trading taking off is whimsical at best right now.

So what General Bytes just added Dash support...but I'm riddled with questions and complications:

  1. Do all General Bytes ATM's support dash now or:
    a. does the owner have to enable it or
    b. update software or
    c. buy a new ATM?
  2. Where can I see a list of all General Bytes ATMs?

Bitcoin has the network effect, the resources (i.e. wallet software that's explained well) and merchants accepting. I'd love to buy Dash locally (that's why I became Media Manager for but I see no logical reason why we need to buy dash directly at this point - the easier route is still to buy bitcoin and trade it for dash.

But how soon this could change is a question which is yielding some fascinating speculation in my head right now.


Hello Mike, I have tried to answer your questions below, if there are any remaining, please do not hesitate to contact me. You can also contact me via telephone on any of the numbers listed on:

Do all General Bytes ATM's support dash now
Support for Dash is included in the GB ATM fleet management software. This effectively means that all GENERAL BYTES ATM models ever made, model BATMOne (no longer sold, yet still actively supported), BATMTwo and BATMThree (all 5 models) have vending support for Dash. (i.e. support selling Dash to end-users)

a. does the owner have to enable it or
Correct. All GB Bitcoin ATM operators run their own wallets, software, exchange connections. We have no control over their operations. At GB we feel it is important that the ATM network is decentralized, this is how Satoshi would have wanted it. :)

The ATM operator will need to run a Dash Core Wallet (in the video I referred to it as Dash Daemon, sorry for the confusion)

b. update software or
Correct. BATM updates are available every two weeks. To upgrade your ATM, select the ATM in your admin panel, click upgrade terminal, sit back and relax for 2 mins while your terminal is remotely upgraded. 'upgrade' sounds like a lot of work but we make it as painless as possible and there is no need to visit the machine to do this. We further do not force updates on our operators and allow them to decide if and when they want to install instead.

c. buy a new ATM?
That would be unethical and wasteful. As stated above, all BATM units ever made are compatible.

Where can I see a list of all General Bytes ATMs?
Because of the decentralized network setup we do not have a list of all our ATMs with a small exception. The ATMs allow to publish their rates to our HQ (this is disabled by default as it would break our decentralized promise) when the operator decides to do this the ATM is shown on the map of our homepage at and it's data is being fed to sites like where visitors can view live rates and current operational status of the machines. coinATMradar also has an app that shows your the nearest ATM and what cryptocurrencies are offered. Please note that some ATMs operators have not registered with coinatmradar and as such their machine might not be listed while they are online and operational. This is most noticeable in the Spanish language markets.

Thank you so much for answers; I'm taking notes and will provide this on an upcoming site of Dash resources. I will contact you and hopefully we can be in touch directly.

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