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RE: Well, that escalated quickly: HF 21/22 and bidbots

in #bidbot5 years ago

As I hinted at on your post the other day, the owners of the bots should be targeted, not just the users whose coin they take for shit posts. It seems odd to target the users of these services while giving the owners a free pass to profit profit profit off of it. I urge everyone, when these witchhunts begin forming to check the wallets to see who these vote bot machine owners are and begin downvoting them so they can enjoy this as much as the ones paying them. I won't go actively searching to give downvotes, but whenever I see the posse forming I am searching for the bot machine behind it.

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In many cases it is the only indirect route to the owners. I'm not a fan of Blind downvote of promoted content.

However, haven't the bidbot owners gotten in the habit of blind upvoting content? And expecting the community to clean up behind them?

This is just a reaction, when they have a better business model and show more responsibility to the community the dislike of them will not be as strong.

We should target the users of the most offensive bots. Their customers (the good ones) Will use more responsible bots to support. Then we kill the worst and save those who hold value in the community.

In turn, the delegators will move their stake to the good bots that manage to find a way to do less damage.

I like to say, vote with your dollars, in this case... Vote with your vote. Do not support witnesses or bots that do not have a stated standard and a plan for removing bad votes.

The idea that because it is subjective it can't be done is lazy and bullshit.

The dislike the community has towards the bidbots is a direct response to the way they have conducted themselves.

They need to run some PR and clean up their act. Whining isn't going to help them

In many cases it is the only indirect route to the owners.

I can see this being the case at times, but I noticed the link on your post the other day the bot service had a post and comment in the last 7 days I threw my weak downvotes on. I figure if not for the greed of those running the service there would be very few posts to target. They get away unscathed and richer while the person using their service takes full brunt.

There is this going on with one of the vote services right now, with flexing going on. I used a downvote there as well for the bullying being used under a pretense of seeking dialogue with the writer of the post.

https://steemit.com/bots/@lordbutterfly/fyrstikken-and-booster-bot-just-declared-war-on-newsteem-u5xviafg

As you can see, the authors post has been greyed.

Will be interesting to see where all of this goes.

Fyrstikken spent 2 hours in my discord today talking to us about avoiding the war! He has created some standards.

Just read your post. Sorry no value to my vote anymore. Since the fork is went back to zero. Might as well vote at 1% on comments now. :)

You can only target the owners if they post. Do many of them post? I always imagined they didn't need to, because their earnings would come from the bots.

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yeah f*** off, you wanna 'taget' people? You're the police now? Get lost, you write like a fascist.

Bitter because your audience is mostly paid for bots? I'm sorry that you have to pay to get votes on your writing. Not everyone is that good that actual people will reward their work, just how it goes. At first I was surprised at the violent reaction you display as I was advocating for the stopping of targeting the likes of you and going after those who create this dynamic, but then it made sense when I realized they were your paid for friends.

Not to worry though, I still won't target the likes of you if and when I see a posse forming for you if it happens. I will look to the offending bot as I suggested here. :)

Blessings to you and yours

I just have 0 tolerance for intolerance. Freedom always comes with the price of defending it.

And just to be clear, the violent reaction is that one which causes damage to others. Intentions and meaning will never solve real problems unless they heal and help. Fit that in your downvotes and degrading thoughts towards different behaviors of HF20 and before.

And now, all my words, do they harm you - no?! :)) But deciding on systematic downvoting does decrease rewards, does damage people directly - right or wrong? For the sake of the better good.. pathetic.

And I have high expectations of content, you mostly won't hurt me. But I dislike anything that cuts freedom of choice and success, especially on STEEM. None needs that.

You are the offender, I do oppose you right here.

in the end, you talk about 'targeting people', and then call me 'violant'... tzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz funny you are, not worth my time I guess

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