The Bible Isn't (Mainly) History

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Truth…is at all times an open secret, but is as a pillar of light [only] to those able to receive and profit by it, and to all others but one of darkness and unintelligibility. [T]he vital secrets of life…protect themselves even though shouted from the housetops, because they mean nothing to those as yet unqualified for the knowledge and unready to identify themselves with it by incorporating it into their habitual thought and conduct.  --W.L. Wilmshurst, The Meaning of Masonry 


The sign is always less than the concept it represents, while the symbol always stands for something more than its obvious and immediate meaning.  --Carl G. Jung, Man and His Symbols


Both read the Bible day and night, But thou read’st black where I read white.  --William Blake, The Everlasting Gospel


The Bible is the inerrant…word of the living God. It is absolutely infallible, without error in all matters pertaining to faith and practice, as well as in areas such as geography, science, history, etc.  --Jerry Falwell, Finding Inner Peace and Strength at 26


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Redeeming Christ, Part I, Chapter 3, The Paradigm of Historicity


In light of this community’s interest in philosophical, religious and historical topics, I’ve decided to serialize and publish here a book that I've been writing for some time. Below is Chapter 3.  Some of what I say below may not make sense unless you've read the Indispensable Introduction, Chapter 1 and Chapter 2.   

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Words Have No Inherent Meaning


In the last chapter we saw how our paradigms influence how we perceive reality. Now it’s important to also understand the extent to which they have, and do, influence our ability to understand written words. 


We like to think that the meaning of a word is obvious, that it can have only a single interpretation. But writers, poets, music artists, lawyers and even Bible scholars know, this isn’t true. As Professor Bart Ehrman has noted:


In the ancient world there was no more unanimity about how to interpret a text than there is today. Indeed, if the meaning of texts were self-evident, we would have no need of commentators, legal experts, literary critics, [theologians] or theories of interpretation. We could all just read and understand. People may think that there is a commonsensical way to construe a text. But put a dozen people in a room with a text of Scripture, or of Shakespeare, or of the American Constitution, and see how many interpretations they produce. (Lost Christianities)


Words are ultimately symbols of ideals, having no meaning in and of themselves. As Plato once noted, the word “beauty” is meaningless except to the extent that it is able to inspire in the reader or hearer some conception of the ideal of beauty. And, two people cannot carry on a conversation about beauty unless that word, beauty, inspires in both of them a substantially similar conception of the same ideal. 


The process of learning a language is therefore the process of unconsciously attaching, through the development of accurate paradigms, certain ideals to certain words such that each word comes to effortlessly represent in the mind of the reader (or “hearer”) ideas far more complex than the word itself. This is why dictionaries must use many words to explain the meaning of one, but even in doing so they are not capable of capturing the fullness of the ideal. For example, reading the definition of “beauty” doesn’t fully convey the same understanding of the ideal as experiencing something beautiful. And some words defy definition altogether: Consider Justice Potter Stewart's famous statement that he cannot define “pornography”, but he "knows it when he sees it". 


In short, words are merely symbols of an ideal, though they can never fully encapsulate it. 


To convey more complex thoughts, word symbols are organized in logical order following rules of grammar to form complete sentences. When written, sentences are then organized into paragraphs and paragraphs into chapters and chapters into books, all conveying an ever more complex series of ideas. However, the most complex ideas, those that defy conventional explanation, are only communicated, if at all, by the use of figurative language. For purposes of this book, “figurative language” is the use of words to convey ideas that differ from the ordinary, literal understanding of the words used. 


The Role of Figurative Language


Through figurative language, the writer is often able to more closely approximate in the reader’s mind the ineffable ideal that he’s trying to communicate. Figurative language works in this manner because it requires the reader to interpret the words outside of their normal, everyday meaning, forcing us to construe them without the benefit of normal, unconscious paradigms. Whereas reading words literally is largely an effortless exercise for literate persons, understanding them figuratively requires some pondering, which is the author's intent. One very simple example of this idea is found in the Gospel of John, 8:12 where Jesus says:


I am the Light of the world. He who follows Me will not be walking in the dark, but will have the Light which is Life.


In reading this verse, even the most Literalist Christian wouldn’t contend that Christ was suggesting that he is truly the “light of the world” (i.e., that he is the Sun), or that to “follow” Jesus we must actually walk. We immediately recognize this scripture as figurative language, or symbolic speech, where the words “light” and “dark” and “walk” have meanings other than their ordinary ones. 


When we read figurative language, our unconscious paradigms are brought to light by failing us—they alone no longer serve to sufficiently elucidate the intended meaning. We must go beyond them in an attempt to grasp the author's nuanced intent. As Carl G. Jung recognized, “…we constantly use symbolic terms to represent concepts that we cannot define or fully comprehend. This is one reason why all religions employ symbolic language or images.” (Carl G. Jung, Man and His Symbols, at 4). It’s also the reason why poetry is often able to convey a truer understanding of an ideal than prose: The ineffable, transcendental concepts of art and religion defy encapsulation in mere words. 


So, what did Jesus mean then when he said "I am the Light of the world"? Consider that Light is the universal symbol for the mystery of consciousness and life, and darkness for unconsciousness and death. When Jesus says, “He who follows Me will not be walking in the dark, but will have the Light which is Life”, he means simply that his followers will enjoy a higher consciousness, or enlightenment. 



The Interpretive Challenge


One of the great challenges in interpreting any document is to know when figurative (poetic) language is at work, and when more literal language (prose) was intended. Unfortunately, distinguishing literal from figurative language in a document is not as simple a task as one might think. In some cases authors intentionally encode or embed the figurative within the literal, making use of double entendre.  This is especially true when the author intends his true message to only be discernible by insiders--those "with ears to hear." 


Whether the author intends to speak figuratively, or literally, or both is not always as clear as it was with Jesus’s saying above. And, as with everything else in life, our paradigms unconsciously influence whether we interpret a passage literally or not--whether we see vases or faces.  And, if we are not very, very careful, our unconscious paradigms can be manipulated by a skilled author or editor! 


In his best-selling book Blink: The Power of Thinking Without Thinking, Malcolm Gladwell chronicles the extent to which our day-to-day lives are controlled by our unconscious mind and, as a result, the extent to which we can be unconsciously manipulated through, among other things, a process known as “priming.” Priming is simply preparing the unconscious mind in advance to view the world through a particular limited paradigm. The reader can gain some rudimentary sense of the powerful effect of priming by engaging in the following thought experiment:


On a blank sheet of paper, write down the first three sports that come to mind followed by two words associated with each sport:


(e.g., tennis—ball, court)


Now, clear the mind for a second and take a moment to write a brief one sentence definition of the following four words:


Ball--

Court --

Serve—

Basket—


Finished?  Okay, please proceed.


Consider that each of the above words have multiple unrelated definitions. For instance, the word “ball” can describe, among other things, either a spherical object used in many sports or a formal gala. However, I can state with almost complete certainty that the first definition, maybe the only definition, of the above words that came to the reader's mind was sports-related. The reason is that, before asking for a definition, I had “primed” the reader’s mind to think about sports. 


If instead I had asked the reader to imagine a feast in a King’s palace complete with servants, music and dancing, and then I had asked for a definition of the same four words listed above, the definition provided would have almost certainly been different. Rather than defining “serve” in its tennis context, the reader would like have thought of waiters at the feast serving food. Rather than defining “court” as a surface upon with athletic events are played, the reader likely thought of the members of the King’s courtly entourage. Rather than defining basket in basketball terms, the reader likely thought of a woven container holding bread or perhaps flowers. Rather than thinking of a football or baseball or basketball, the reader instead almost certainly pictured ballrooms and ballgowns. 


Why? Because, I made it so via priming. 



How the Bible Tricks Us With Priming


In light of the above discussion of priming, we must be alert to the various ways in which the Bible has been organized and edited to facilitate a particular limited understanding.  


Consider for a moment how the order of books in the New Testament primes our minds to interpret them in a certain way. One would think, and the layperson may even assume, that the books of the New Testament are presented to us in chronological order—that is, the order in which they were written by their various authors. Read chronologically, we would understand who said what and when, and we could easily discern evolving trends within Christianity during its early years--i.e., how the Christian understanding of Jesus evolved over time, becoming more complex and taking on legendary accretions, or how the gospels, ordered from first to last, become increasingly anti-semitic over time.  


Ordered chronologically, we would likely first read the letter of James, followed by the authentic writings of Paul, then likely Mark, then Matthew, then Luke, and Acts, etc. And, read in this order, the New Testament tells a very different story than that which we have previously been primed to receive by reading the quasi-historical gospels first, as we shall later see. 


Paul Inspired the Gospels, Not Vice-Versa


To illustrate this point, consider that the authentic letters of Paul, among our earliest Christian writings and predating the gospels, place very little emphasis on Jesus as an historical figure. Paul seems to know nothing about the historical events of Jesus’ life—events that were, if Literalists are to be believed, essential to the meaning of Christianity. For example:


Have we noticed that Paul seems to know nothing of Jesus’ supernatural birth? Jesus was, says Paul, “descended from David according to the flesh and designated Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead” (Rom. 1:3,4). Spong, Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism, at 81.)


In fact, Paul actually insists that Jesus wasn’t “born” Son of God, nor was he Son of God “in the beginning” as the Gospel of John suggests.  Rather he was “designated” Son of God by his resurrection from the dead.  


Isn't it odd that our earliest Christian writings, those of Paul and James, do not mention God’s impregnation of a virgin, nor do they mention Jesus’ earthly mother or father. If we had only Paul to read, we would conclude that Jesus was simply, at least by birth, an ordinary human descendant of David. Professor Robert Eisenman elaborates on this fact:


Only two historical points about Jesus emerge from Paul’s letters: firstly, that he was crucified at some point—date unspecified (I Timothy 6:13, which is not considered authentic, adds by Pontius Pilate), and, secondly, that he had several brothers, one of whom was one called James (Galations 1:19). (Robert Eisenman, James the Brother of Jesus, at xxiii.)


In fairness, I would add that Paul does also mention Jesus’ resurrection, but the extent to which he considered the resurrection to be an historical fact, as opposed to a spiritual one, is debatable, as we shall see below. 


Importantly Paul, our earliest Christian author next to James, never mentions Bethlehem, nor any of Jesus’ many miracles (other than his resurrection, which as we shall see Paul understood figuratively), nor the substance of Jesus’ teachings, nor any of Jesus’ many travels, nor any of his many parables, nor how long Jesus lived. Although Paul never hesitated to quote liberally from the Tanakh (i.e., the Old Testament) when arguing his theological points, he never quotes the earthly Jesus even when quoting a supposedly well-known "saying of the Lord" would have cinched his argument conclusively.  These omissions are simply inexplicable if Paul was indeed aware of the "history" contained in the gospels and Jesus's sayings. Clearly, he wasn't.  


Either Paul was ignorant of these things, which seems likely, or else he specifically chose not to mention them even when doing so would have benefited him greatly.  Regardless, it's clear that the worldly "history" of Jesus's life and teachings were not at all important to Paul's theology.   


My point (which will become clearer as this book progresses) is that if Paul’s letters, which predate the gospels, were placed before the gospels in our Bibles--that is, if we were to read the gospels through the “lens” of Paul rather than reading Paul through the “lens” of the quasi-historical gospels-- Christianity may have come to conceive of Jesus’ significance as more spiritual and symbolic, dare I say Gnostic, than historic:


Placing Paul’s writings accurately in Christian history as antecedent to any other part of the New Testament leads us to wonder just how much we have distorted Paul’s meaning by unconsciously allowing the Gospels to color Paul’s words. (Spong, Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism, at 81). 

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Our minds have been so shaped and informed by the Gospel content that we do not recognize how frequently we read Paul through the eyes of the Gospels. We need to embrace the fact that none of Paul’s first readers read him this way, for in their lives there were as yet no Gospels. To interpret Paul accurately we need to put ourselves into that first-century pre-gospel frame of reference and to hear Paul in fresh and authentic ways. (Spong, Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism, at 96.)


Regrettably, the order in which the books are placed in our Bibles is designed to prevent us from doing exactly that. For, as we shall see later, Paul’s writings presented early Literalists with a major problem, and they therefore went to great lengths to “spin” or even alter Paul’s words to bolster their their Literalist views. Stacking the deck by curiously ordering the books of New Testament was just the beginning of their efforts to deceive the public and “literalize” Paul. 


Christians have manipulated the Old Testament in the same way.  For instance, in Jewish tradition, the books of the Tanakh (the Old Testament) were arranged in three sections—the Pentateuch, the Prophets, and the Writings, in that order. However, when compiling the Old Testament, Literalists reversed the order of the Prophets and Writings so that the Old Testament would end with the prophecy of Malachi that God would send Elijah and so that the New Testament would begin with Matthew quickly introducing John the Baptist, who was widely understood by ancient Christians as being Elijah reincarnated. How convenient.  



Thou Read’st Black Where I Read White


But I digress. Back to our original question: How do we know when to interpret a Bible passage literally and when to interpret it figuratively? How one answers this simple question determines for the most part whether one is a Literalist or not. 


Despite the fact that, as Jung noted, religious literature has, in all time and all ages and in all cultures, made dramatic and beautiful use of figurative, symbolic language in it’s attempt to convey the mystical, spiritual experience of higher consciousness that religion offers, Literalists, led by their orthodox forbears, view the Bible as primarily a book of history. Consequently, they seek to understand the Bible first literally and historically, and they only consider a figurative interpretation when the literal, historical one fails them. 


On the other hand, Literalist opponents have always taken the opposite approach.  They argue that the experience of God can never be captured in one literal word or a trillion. Consequently, they seek first to understand the figurative, spiritual meaning of each passage, and only accept a literal interpretation at face value when such a simple understanding was obviously intended by the author and does not hinder the figurative meaning of the text.


To paraphrase William Blake, both Literalist and non-Literalists read the Bible day and night, but one reads black where the other reads white. Literalist stick to the “black letter” of what is written, while non-Literalists “read between the lines” in an attempt to decipher the symbolic, spiritual meaning of the text. 


(Sometimes reading between the lines makes all the difference.  This Steemit Whale, or Christian fish if you prefer, becomes visible only when one does just that.)



The Bible Speaks to the Issue


The Bible itself weighs in on this issue and, where it does, it tends to support the Literalists’s opponents. 


Numerous Bible passages explicitly warn against a literal interpretation of scriptures, and none that I can find specifically demand it. Consider, for example, these passages:


How can you say, We are wise, and we have the written law of the Lord [and are learned in its language and teachings]? Lo, the truth is, the lying pen of the scribes has made of the law a falsehood [a mere code of ceremonial observances]. The wise men shall be put to shame, they shall be dismayed and taken. Lo, they have rejected the word of the Lord, and what wisdom and broad understanding, full intelligence is in them. [emphasis added] (Jeremiah 8:8-9)

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The letter kills, but the spirit brings life. (2 Corinthians 3:6)

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[W]hen we are among the fully-initiated—spiritually mature Christians who are ripe in understanding [i.e., pneumatics]—we do impart a (higher) wisdom [that is, the knowledge of the divine plan previously hidden]…. (1 Corinthians 2:6) 

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[We set] these [higher] truths forth in words not taught by human wisdom, but taught by the spirit, combining and interpreting spiritual truths with spiritual [i.e., figurative] language. But natural, non-spiritual man does not accept or welcome or admit into his heart the gifts and teachings and revelations of the Spirit of God, for they are folly (meaningless nonsense) to him; and he is incapable of knowing them –of progressively recognizing and understanding and becoming better acquainted with them—because they are spiritually [i.e., figuratively] discerned and estimated and appreciated. (1 Corinthian 2:13-14) [parentheticals added]


In addition, Jesus himself spoke in esoteric, cryptic parables that even most modern readers find difficult to decipher. Jesus often made clear that his audience was supposed to read more into his words than their obvious literal meaning, sometimes explicitly reminding them: “Let those with ears to hear understand!” Jesus used such “ears to hear” language repeatedly in the gospels to signify that that his teachings have figurative meanings that those within his inner circle should grasp. Consider, for example, Matthew 11:15, 13:9, 13:43; Mark 4:9, 4:23, 7:16; and Luke 8:8, 14:35. 


Finally, consider that in the Gospels, especially John, Jesus repeatedly chastises those who take his teachings literally—who take his words at their ordinary meaning rather than trying to grasp their figurative, spiritual significance. Witness, for example, his conversation with Nicodemus starting at John Chapter 3, or his conversation with the Samaritan women at the well starting at John 4:10, or his teaching about “flesh and blood” at John 6:50, or his many other conversations with his sometimes dense disciples. In instance after instance, Jesus rebukes those who seek to understand his words in the ordinary sense. He even goes so far as to call those Jews who insist on doing so sons of the devil:


Why do you misunderstand what I say? It is because you are unable to hear what I am saying—you cannot bear to listen to My message, your ears are shut to My teaching. You are of your father the devil. (John 8:43-44)


There is a lesson in all of these admonitions against Literalism, one that the Gospel writers were not-so-subtly trying to convey but which Literalist have ignored for centuries. 



The Paradigm Of Historicity Controls Everything


Despite the Bible’s repeated warnings to avoid strict, literal interpretations, centuries of teaching based upon the Paradigm of Historicity have primed generations of Christians to construe most passages as literal. Let’s consider for now just a few of the general ways in which the Paradigm of Historicity has shaped our our interpretation of the Bible: 


First, consider how the Paradigm of Historicity makes us want for the Bible’s infallibility. As previously discussed, if the Bible contains any error, how can we be assured that the history it describes does not also contain error. And, if this history is called into question, then the conclusions of Atonement Theology, which depend on it, are likewise dubious. For Atonement Theology to survive, most Literalist feel compelled to defend the Bible’s perfection. 


But is the Bible perfect? We will spend a great deal of time on this issue in Part II of this book. Suffice it to say for now that Literalists go to irrational lengths to reconcile many discrepancies in the Bible, discrepancies that are easily explained by the fact that its books were written by different people at different times with different agendas.  By adopting the doctrine of “divine inspiration”—that is, the belief that the Bible writers were all possessed by, or under the influence of, the Holy Spirit when writing their respective books--Literalists convince themselves believe that it was actually God who did the writing.


This doctrine is problematic for several reasons. One is that even many Literalist acknowledge that we don’t know who wrote some books of the Bible (e.g., Hebrews, or even the gospels for that matter), nor can we determine exactly when many of them were written. Therefore, to assert with confidence that an unknown author writing at an indeterminate place and time was nonetheless certainly under the influence of God’s spirit requires a peculiar type of faith. 


Second, the doctrine of divine inspiration causes us to interpret the Bible in an unnatural and extraordinary manner. Where we would see obvious contradictions and inconsistencies if we were reading any other compendium of books, the doctrine of divine inspiration causes us to see “common themes” and a “sequential revelation” when reading the Bible.  


For example, rather than reading Paul and James as disagreeing about whether salvation is the result of faith or works, Literalists develop a rather convoluted interpretation that attempts to synthesize the two positions. After all, since God wrote both the books of Paul and the book of James, and he could not have contradicted himself, this synthesized interpretation, no matter how strained or contrived, must be the one intended by God all along. Eureka!


Likewise, rather than seeing Jesus and his teachings as contradicting those of the Old Testament, Literalist adopt the rather contrived position that Jesus came to “fulfill the Old Testament scriptures”. They reason that the Jews have simply misunderstood their own religion and writings for some three thousand years. Taking portions of the Jewish texts completely out of context, Literalist see Jesus everywhere: They read him into Psalms. They read him into Jeremiah. They read him into Isaiah. If only the Jews would stop their arrogant and “rebellious” reading of their own holy scriptures, the Literalist argue, they would see the “obvious” references to Jesus as well. 



Third, the Paradigm of Historicity also requires us to view each separately named person in the Bible as actual, separate historical individuals, thereby excluding the possibility that various persons are actually symbols for various aspects of our own psyche, or ourselves at various stages of our spiritual path. For example, initiates into the “Inner Mysteries” of the pagan mystery religions understood that the central characters of their religious myths were actually representations of themselves at various stages of their own spiritual journey, the multi-step initiation process that we will discuss in detail later. The same is true of the characters in modern Masonic initiation ceremonies.  


Likewise, it is a virtual axiom among psychologists skilled in dream interpretation that the various characters in our dreams represent different aspects of ourselves. In fact, Jung and his followers, as well as many others, have identified certain “recurring actors” in the drama of our dreams who represent definite aspects of our personality, including the “shadow,” the “trickster”, and the “anima” or “animus”. 


Unfortunately, the Paradigm of Historicity prevents us from contemplating any such figurative interpretations of the heroes of scripture. Since they are understood as actual, historical personalities, they cannot be understood symbolizing aspects of ourselves. 


Fourth, the Paradigm of Historicity causes us to view the various acts of the Bible heroes as actual historical events, rather than as symbols illustrating the steps to spiritual enlightenment. Consider for example the teachings of Paul in Galatians 2:20:


I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me….


Reading this through the Paradigm of Historicity, the Literalist would argue that there’s no way Paul is truly claiming to have had the same crucifixion experience as Christ because: (1) viewing the Gospels as a literal history book, Christ only died once, and (2) we know from the historical record (i.e., the Bible) that Paul wasn’t actually crucified with him. Thus, the Literalist argues that Paul is simply drawing an analogy between Christ’s literal crucifixion and Paul’s figurative one. They view Paul’s crucifixion as figurative, but Christ’s as literal.


But Paul himself makes no such distinction. As we shall later see, Paul views his crucifixion experience as essentially identical to Jesus’s own. So, by contemplating the significance of the crucifixion story in other than historical terms, Paul may actually be understood as saying something like:


a) I had the same figurative crucifixion experience as Jesus’ figurative crucifixion experience. Our experiences were identical.

b) My old identity, my ego, was crucified (i.e., died a slow, painful death) by my increasing consciousness. I no longer identify with my crucified ego as myself.

c) My true self is the “Christ Within”. (I’ll explain later just who and what this “Christ Within” is.)


While this interpretation may seem quite strange to one conditioned by the Paradigm of Historicity, it will make much more sense, and indeed will be quite compelling, in later parts of this book. It is only the Paradigm of Historicity that makes such interpretation seem so foreign at the moment. 


Finally, the Paradigm of Historicity also causes us to view locations in the Bible as actual geographic places rather than stops along the spiritual path, or “way”. For example, Literalists must view the Exodus from Egypt as a one-time historical event from the actual country of Egypt. However, non-Literalist mystics from both Jewish and Christian traditions have for centuries understood “Egypt” in the Old Testament to be a symbol for “captivity”--that is, the condition of a person whose ego denies the influence of unconscious paradigms, who therefore is blind to them and who is, as a result, a slave to them. Similarly, psychologists skilled in interpreting dreams have long understood that the “places” within our dreams are often important symbols for other aspects of ourselves. For example, in dream interpretation, one’s house is typically interpreted as a symbol for one’s body, and a lake often interpreted as a symbol of one’s unconsciousness. Again, the Paradigm of Historicity prevents us from making any such similar interpretations of scripture, to society’s great loss. 



Conclusion


To conclude, the Paradigm of Historicity has unconsciously controlled our interpretation of the Bible for 1600 years causing us to interpret it in an unnatural, extraordinary way--a way that we would refuse to apply to any other compendium of books in any other context. Now that we understand the existence and implications of this paradigm, it's now time to subject it to strict scrutiny.

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Nicely written. Some observations:

  • There are excellent reasons for the Paradigm of Historicity. Namely, that these documents were collected, treasured, preserved, and replicated throughout Europe and the Middle East as historical documents whose authorship was not in doubt. In fact, evidence of that authorship was a pre-requisite for being included in the canon every time it was debated by church leaders.
  • Getting rid of the Paradigm of Historicity is a key goal of liberal scholars because it suddenly gives them freedom to change everything about the message of the Bible - even to the reality of Christ's sacrificial death on the cross as you have started to hint at. This will require major surgery, but if you can just shed Historicity you will have an unfettered hand to change everything.
  • Students of the Bible delight in its rich mix of the literal and the symbolic or figurative. It has never posed a problem telling which is which and in the examples you have presented, the difference is obvious. The rule of thumb I have liked is "When the literal sense makes common sense seek no other sense."
  • We might also point out that the Bible is delightful in that it has multiple meanings interwoven. A given verse can simultaneously have a literal meaning and a figurative meaning. Prophesies in particular get their credibility by having a near-term partial fulfillment (confirming the Prophet) and a longer term, generally end times complete fulfillment.
  • Paul wrote letters to churches that he had previously visited where he had done the groundwork of teaching the historical information. His letters were intended to teach applications of that Gospel - tying together their significance with the corresponding information from the Old Testament of which as a "Rhodes Scholar" Pharisee he was the leading expert of his generation. So pointing out things Paul did not choose to cover in his letters does not lead to any new conclusions that can't be explained more simply by understanding the obvious stated intent of those letters. Naturally, future generations who had not met Paul would want to organize the Gospels to be the first thing a newcomer would read so that Paul's advanced teachings could build on them. This is hardly scandalous.
  • Scripture interprets Scripture. If you get confused about what a particular passage means, their are plenty of other passages in the Bible to disambiguate and shed light on possible nuances or word meanings. In fact, most of my graduate level adult Sunday School classes are organized precisely this way: I take any theological conclusion and pull together everything the Bible has to say about it. I typically get about 20 passages on any given topic. We then compare that to the writings of the church fathers from many generations to gain insights I may have overlooked.
  • Both Peter and Paul wrote that all Scripture is inspired by God and John documented how they learned that from Jesus' promise to send them the Holy Spirit to help them to recall and understand all things. So inspiration is not an external doctrine - it is the teaching of Jesus and His Apostles. This is further confirmed by Jesus statements that "the Scriptures cannot be broken" and His chastisement of the Jewish leaders for not believing what the Bible says about him. Not to mention the frequent number of times he used the Old Testament quotes to make a fine grained theological point - often that hinged on the actual tense of a verb.

Given all these things, I hope you plan to give us more than just "what if" speculation about "what if" someone else wrote one of the books or "what if" this passage is symbolic instead of literal. I'd like to see some of the following:

  • Actual examples where the fundamental message of Christianity (as defined by the commonly accepted creeds) would be changed if any of your suggested alternatives had actually occurred. Your ability to think up unproven alternatives or questioning why an author chose to discuss some things but not others does not make them the preferred understanding of what happened. So far, I have never seen you offer a shred of evidence that your imagined alternative has more proof than the historically accepted traditions.
  • Actual historical documents of stronger pedigree than the ones that have been used for nearly two millennia to confirm the historicity of the documents we do have. (So far, your only evidence is lack of enough evidence to suit you. You never mention the existence of any proof that someone else wrote anything.)

Stan, this is going to be fun for both of us. Thanks for sticking with me so far. A few thoughts:

-- I will soon demonstrate (in Part II of the book) that these documents (the ones in the New Testament, at least) were first "collected, treasured, preserved, and replicated throughout Europe and the Middle East" not as historical documents but rather as spiritual allegories. In fact, I will offer an overwhelming amount of evidence on this point.

-- I agree. By shedding Historicity, a huge world of alternative interpretations open up, some of them incredibly beautiful and compelling. I disagree that this is a bad thing.

-- Your rule that "when the literal sense makes common sense seek no other sense" is a poor one for many reasons. First, as indicated in my post above, spiritual authors often intentionally employ double entendre, hiding the "spiritual" meaning in the "literal" text. In fact, this was the standard "method" of all Mystery Religions in the region at the time, of which Christianity was one. Much more on this to come, but for now I will simply say that "seeking no other sense" is silly even when the passage does make literal sense.

Regardless, a great many passages that you interpret literally don't "make common sense" at all. Since when does turning water into wine make "common sense". Since when does raising someone from the dead make "common sense". Since when does walking on water make "common sense".

To claim that such things are common sense is to make nonsense of the term. These are obvious instances of figurative language (especially obvious to anyone who has had the spiritual experience they describe) "hidden" in an "historical" tale. Again, this was a standard way of protecting spiritual/religious secrets during the time--hiding esoteric truths within exoteric "histories".

-- Your defense of Paul's historical oversights simply don't hold water. Why would Paul have resorted to arguing from analogy from the Old Testament to make his point to his followers when he could have simply quoted a "saying of the Lord" from the supposedly-then-existing gospels and conclusively cinched his argument. The latter would surely have been considered more authoritative by Christians. That Paul never cites Jesus even when debating an issue upon which the Lord had already "ruled" is powerful evidence that Paul, and his followers, were ignorant of the ruling. I will provide specific examples on this point as we proceed.

-- "Scripture interpretes scripture" is only true if we can agree on what constitutes scriptures (and as we shall soon see, that's much more difficult than modern Christians suppose) and if we presuppose divine inspiration. Without presupposing divine inspiration, it makes about as much sense to interpret James in light of Corinthians or Galatians (or vice versa) as it does to interpret the US Constitution in light of the writings of Thomas Jefferson, or vice versa. Might the writings of Jefferson inform our understanding of the Constitution, or vice versa? Absolutely. But we'd have a completely warped interpretation of both if we first assumed that each was divinely inspired and infallible, that each was in fact therefore intended to be understood and read in light of the other, and that whatever interpretation(s) result(s) from trying to "harmonize" things via an inelegant mash up of the documents is the only "true" one.

-- Regardless of whether divine inspiration is an "external doctrine", referencing scriptural claims of infallibility as evidence or authority for their infallibility is silly and circular. For instance, I hereby claim that this comment is "God breathed" and infallible. Do you believe me? Of course not. But yet you believe the same when some stranger several thousand years ago wrote something similar, and part of the reason you believe it is because he said it? Silly.

But, even if it is true that scripture is "God breathed" and "infallible" and that reasonable people can agree on what constitutes scripture, it's only so if the scripture is interpreted the right way. And, as I noted in my original post above, interpretation is difficult. Furthermore, the scriptures caution time and time again against a literalist interpretation. Jesus regularly made a laughing stock out of those who interpreted his teachings literally. There was a not so subtle message in that. So, whatever infallable divine truth lies within "scripture", it's not gained by understanding it as literal history.

I will most definitely be taking up your challenge to provide actual evidence and examples of how the fundamental message of Christianity would be different under a more natural interpretation--the exact same type of interpretation that you yourself would apply to any other collections of writings in any other context. I have not offered (much) evidence to date only because from the beginning (did you forget what I said in my Indispensable Introduction?) I have indicated that such evidence would be reserved for Part II of the book, which is soon coming. Before I could offer the evidence, it was first necessary to begin the process of undoing thousands of years worth of conditioned interpretation warped by the Paradigm of Historicity. And I couldn't do that without first bringing the paradigm into consciousness via the process I went through in the first few chapters.

What constitutes "common sense" when we are talking about God's interactions with man?
You presuppose that supernatural encounters defy common sense. Yet fishermen and tax collectors, not kings and princes, were given the chance to observe and apply their own common sense to God's demonstrations of His power. And then they set out to change the world.

This should be fun.

You used the phrase "common sense" first. I simply assumed that you were defining common sense in a common sense way rather than in some esoteric way. My bad.

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Okay, I'm finally to Part II of my book where I start offering the evidence you've been craving. Here's my first batch (and there's much, much more to come, I'm just getting started): https://steemit.com/christianity/@sean-king/early-christianities-weren-t-orthodox.

I would appreciate it if we could agree on some ground rules for subsequent debate. First, lets avoid logical fallacies, especially ad hominem and slaying straw men. Let's agree to use our good faith best efforts to truly understand the other's position and respond accordingly to it.

In offering evidence, I'm not going to cite chapter and verse for every contention. Doing so would be too time consuming, and I never know which contentions you'll accept at fact value and which you'll dispute So, I will often simply state a conclusion and briefly cite evidence or a quote or an argument confirming it. To the extent you may disagree with the conclusion, feel free to speak up (and I know you will). We can then debate it and I'd be happy to then offer whatever specific evidence is needed. This approach will keep me from taking the time to support every contention in detail, many of which we agree upon from the outset.

I was trained as a child to be a black reader. Long time white reader now :)

You are making a good point about the ordering, I never really took that into consideration in my personal... "dismissal" of Saul of Tarsus; and I like your other observations too: that he never quotes Jesse.

Here is what my thinking was: first, the carpenter rabbi tells everyone about love and peace and happiness, about not putting the word of the Law above the meaning and intent of it, and most of all not above Supreme Daddy's love it is testament to. The ideals he preaches are very anarchic.

Then, this scribe comes along - a persecutor of Christians - but wonder and wonder, he is suddenly "enlightened", infiltrates the movement and begins to put all the pharisee nonsense back into place: the rules, the bureaucracy, his own interpretation and ideas and opinions...

(Jesse must have facepalmed hard when news about the development reached him in his exile in India ;)


I know this is dangerously close to Marcus Eli Ravage's reading, but with your showing out the hidden whale in the white letters, I'm even more convinced.

Greetings also to @stan. He makes great points, and the discussion you two are having is very educational, enjoyable and thought-inspiring.

Good post.

It says it many times, don't take it literally, it's a parable.

Parables are allegories, metaphor, analogy and symbolic imagery. Word symbols to reference something in reality corresponded to something else in order to understand one thing in reference to another. That is how we can correlate things and see differences and similarities.

I made a post while ago about this power of symbols and the problem belief creates where people believe whatever they want and are too attached to their imaginary beliefs because they choose to believe it to be "true": Symbols, Reality, Knowledge, Belief and Attachment

Thanks for a good post. Take care. Peace.

"It’s also the reason why poetry is often able to convey a truer understanding of an ideal than prose: The ineffable, transcendental concepts of art and religion defy encapsulation in mere words. "
Thats the reason why I dont bother explaining myself with mere prose,
but instead I use poetry and music, the closest piece of poetry or music I know
that conveys what Im trying to convey.

I couldn't agree more. In some ways, it is so painfully obvious that Bible stories are figurative that I don't even know how to talk to someone who sees it differently. Yet, you've thoroughly articulated a clear argument here. Brilliant.

When Im about to go crazy with the content here Sean,
I come to your posts to remind myself not everything here is excrement
and not everyone in here is quasi-retarded.
I find peace and serenity reading your words and the content you put forward. You keep me the closest I can be to sanity.
Thank you

Peace be upon you, my child. :-)

And thanks for the very kind compliment. I'm very grateful.

"Consider Justice Potter Stewart's famous statement that he cannot define “pornography”, but he "knows it when he sees it". "

The same with sophisticated abuse of this platform,
I know it when I see it, its indescribable,
it would take an eternity to describe

"This is especially true when the author intends his true message to only be discernible by insiders--those "with ears to hear." "
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